Bloody thieving gits and folk who deal with them

[Coximus]

As with all these things - look at the countries with a less serious problem - for a start they remove the market, they make the buyer equaliy liable - so no one sane would want to risk buying a chainsaw, digger etc without seeing previous purchase proof first.
And reverting back to my student study days.... I remmeber studying about a pilot scheme in Germany whereby they made it default that the police seized anything suspect, where as here, they go to the guy with the stolen tractor, or in my case trailer, he says "I brought it" the police say they cant seize without a warrent, 3 days later when they have it, they go back, an lo and behold the trailer is sold on, moved etc....
In Germany, it gets seized as evidence, they have 7 days to proove it was stolen or they have to give it back, but you must be able to proove you purchased it a) in good faith, b) that you saw evidence the seller had it legally (IE joint liability).
If not it goes back to the person whom claims it was stolen from, as long as they prove both a & b.

makes the market shrink, reducing thefts.

 

[multi power]

Respect for the other person (and the other persons property) is a very basic pillar of society. Personal property right's are paramount in any society if it is succeed.
So, yes, the thief who stole it, but the farmer who received it is far, far worse.
Do you have laws that are enforced to deter such behavior...?

All the police are interested in is minor motoring offences, they are either too lazy or too afraid to catch criminals

 

[Grassman]

All the police are interested in is minor motoring offences, they are either too lazy or too afraid to catch criminals

It's not that they are lazy. They just don't have the resources or a court system that is on their side

 

[Juggler]

All the police are interested in is minor motoring offences, they are either too lazy or too afraid to catch criminals

At my work, we had a guy drive in, stop his van at the scrap bin and calm as anything put a copper calorifier into the van and take his time to check his van over before calmly driving out, all caught by a CCTV camera he thoughtfully parked right next to, he knew exactly where everything was and he had obviously been here before.
Police were notified and given his reg number, description of him and the vehicle, they phoned the next day to say they knew where he lived and would pay him a visit.
Then..
Nothing, for months and months, we keep chasing up but they haven't been round yet..know we know who he is and we also know that he's been involved in something far more serious since he paid us a visit but the police don't seem worried about it.
The value of what he stole was next to nothing but its the fact that he's obviously been a regular caller, and that the police are happy for him to continue thieving even though they know exactly who he is and where he lives that beggars belief.
I bet we would get our collar felt in an instant if someone from here paid him a visit

 

[Henarar]

A farmer suspected the chap up the road of stealing logs so he board a hole in one and filled it up with gunpowder then plugged the hole apparently he didn't have any more logs go missing as it blew the fireplace out of the wall

 

[Old McDonald]

A farmer suspected the chap up the road of stealing logs so he board a hole in one and filled it up with gunpowder then plugged the hole apparently he didn't have any more logs go missing as it blew the fireplace out of the wall

Of course no more logs were stolen. The thief did not have a fire to use logs, so he did not need to steal any more. Simple explanation I think.

 

[Old McDonald]

It's not that they are lazy. They just don't have the resources or a court system that is on their side

I had a relative who was a policeman many years ago, and even then he told me how demoralising it was for the police to arrest people and have the magistrates just give repeat offenders a slap on the wrist.

It must have an effect on you if everything you do is just dismissed as being of no consequence - think of your own day to day work. How would you feel if you were constantly being told that what you did is unimportant in the grans scale of things?

 

[Grassman]

There was talk that in some parts of the country police would only be deployed if there was a threat to life!

 

[unlacedgecko]

The law is for the law abiding. In the UK we have policing by consent.

So what happens when people who don't abide the law don't consent to being policed?

 

[Chae1]

I admit to watching police camera action on TV. The sentences dished out to the offenders is ridiculous. Most dont even charged.

Wonder what Donald Trump would do with them.

 

[Dry Rot]

At my work, we had a guy drive in, stop his van at the scrap bin and calm as anything put a copper calorifier into the van and take his time to check his van over before calmly driving out, all caught by a CCTV camera he thoughtfully parked right next to, he knew exactly where everything was and he had obviously been here before.
Police were notified and given his reg number, description of him and the vehicle, they phoned the next day to say they knew where he lived and would pay him a visit.
Then..
Nothing, for months and months, we keep chasing up but they haven't been round yet..know we know who he is and we also know that he's been involved in something far more serious since he paid us a visit but the police don't seem worried about it.
The value of what he stole was next to nothing but its the fact that he's obviously been a regular caller, and that the police are happy for him to continue thieving even though they know exactly who he is and where he lives that beggars belief.
I bet we would get our collar felt in an instant if someone from here paid him a visit

You get no sympathy from me! You, as a tax payer, employ the police to do a job. If they don't do it, SHOUT LIKE HELL! It's your money that goes into their wage packets at the end of each month!

https://www.ipcc.gov.uk/sites/defau..._How_to_make_a_complaint_about_the_police.pdf

 

[itsalwaysme]

As with all these things - look at the countries with a less serious problem - for a start they remove the market, they make the buyer equaliy liable - so no one sane would want to risk buying a chainsaw, digger etc without seeing previous purchase proof first.
And reverting back to my student study days.... I remmeber studying about a pilot scheme in Germany whereby they made it default that the police seized anything suspect, where as here, they go to the guy with the stolen tractor, or in my case trailer, he says "I brought it" the police say they cant seize without a warrent, 3 days later when they have it, they go back, an lo and behold the trailer is sold on, moved etc....
In Germany, it gets seized as evidence, they have 7 days to proove it was stolen or they have to give it back, but you must be able to proove you purchased it a) in good faith, b) that you saw evidence the seller had it legally (IE joint liability).
If not it goes back to the person whom claims it was stolen from, as long as they prove both a & b.

makes the market shrink, reducing thefts.

Probably about 20 years ago, (where did that time go) mate of mine had a caravan pinched, he was using it as an office at the time, the day before it went missing I'd seen a landrover hanging around and luckily I'd memorised the reg no. The police weren't really interested, they had "too much on", we found out who the landrover belonged to and mate paid him a visit, he said his brother had the landrover and if we found him he wanted it back. Few days later we found the bloke living in the landrover on a pub car park, he wouldn't admit taking the caravan. By chance a few days later I spotted the caravan on another pub carpark a few miles away, easily identified by the damaged hitch where he'd smashed the hitch lock off. I spoke to the landlord and he said he'd bought it for a few hundred quid off a regular customer. I phoned my mate and blocked the caravan in with my van. The landlord had phoned the police and my mate and the police arrived about the same time, police wanted time to look into it etc. mate just said it's my caravan and I'm taking it, hitched it up and drove away, we never heard anymore about it.

 

[Grassman]

We just don't know how they are going to sell it on, it could be a farmer who will use it himself, it could be a small merchant who will sell it to farmers who will buy in good faith. Unless they are caught we will never know.

Possibly already fed to calves in eastern Europe.

 

[Mouser]

We just don't know how they are going to sell it on, it could be a farmer who will use it himself, it could be a small merchant who will sell it to farmers who will buy in good faith. Unless they are caught we will never know.

Local police say they use it for greyhounds and possibly mixing with other white powder substances!

 

[IH 684]

People harp on about getting things stolen and blame everyone else for it happening, then blame the police for not being bothered to attend. But if we look at how the items were stolen there should a law for stupidness. Tractors with keys left in. Gates left open. Cheap locks on workshop doors. Field gates not locked. Power tools on show in the back of pickups. Livestock trailers left unlocked. Car left running to de-ice windscreen. The list goes on.

 

[Henarar]

Of course no more logs were stolen. The thief did not have a fire to use logs, so he did not need to steal any more. Simple explanation I think.

On a lighter note Grandad used to have an apple tree in the road hedge and a woman would walk past every day and scrump a few, so he picked some of them and left a nice looking one she could reach, somehow he managed to cut a bit off and hollow it out and fill it up with cow sh!t and pin the piece back on with some thorns all without picking it, then he sat down the other side of the hedge and waited for the woman to come up the road.
apparently it was quite entertaining

All before my time as was my other story

 

[ACEngineering]

Milwaukee do a equipment tracker now! and the one key tools they have started doing already have it built in all you need to do is down load the app, if you or someone else that has the app on the phone is within range of the tool or "tick" then the app sends a signal back to your phone telling you were it is located

With the one key tools I think you can even disable the tool so it cant be used

https://www.milwaukeetool.com/power-tools/cordless/48-21-2000

 

[Juggler]

You get no sympathy from me! You, as a tax payer, employ the police to do a job. If they don't do it, SHOUT LIKE HELL! It's your money that goes into their wage packets at the end of each month!

https://www.ipcc.gov.uk/sites/defau..._How_to_make_a_complaint_about_the_police.pdf

Not looking for sympathy We've called regularly and now have a crime number and a complaint number from the police about the police..! Makes no odds to them, we've been told its now been escalated but why not just send someone round to the guys house.. that might be easier than now having to deal with a complaint as well as the original case
I forgot to mention this happened in broad daylight with lots of people and vehicles around, someone asked me who the guy loading the copper into the van was and I was running over to him when he took off.

 

[Deereone]

People harp on about getting things stolen and blame everyone else for it happening, then blame the police for not being bothered to attend. But if we look at how the items were stolen there should a law for stupidness. Tractors with keys left in. Gates left open. Cheap locks on workshop doors. Field gates not locked. Power tools on show in the back of pickups. Livestock trailers left unlocked. Car left running to de-ice windscreen. The list goes on.

I walk around the farm with a big bunch of keys (like a gaoler). Keys for tractors, bikes, sheds, trucks, car and house. The gate is alarmed I have cctv and I still get thefts. The police offer to give me advice on security (and offer me counselling FFS). All I want is to live in peace, minding my own business without being visited by parasites. The older I get the less sympathy I have with them - though I never had much to start with.

The current system has been tried and has failed. It is time to blame the thieves and not the honest man, who should be able to leave things lying around without fear of them being stolen

 

[Cowabunga]

Local hard working farmer lost 3 ton of calf milk replacer a week ago or so, they loaded it into his horse box, bit of work involved in that.
What makes me mad is they must have known another farmer somewhere who was willing to buy it off them, they didn't do that on the off chance of being able to sell it down the pub.

From local experience, it might well be one of the neighbours thieving for their own use.
A farmer down the road thought things were going missing from his yard. A yard that two other farmers go through to reach their own holdings. He suspected one, so he put cameras up. The one he caught was the other one, actually coming up with a tele handler while he wasn't home and brazenly thieving telephone poles that had been bought for fencing. He also rented his cattle sheds out for the winter and caught the neighbour on the other side, the one who kept cattle in the sheds, thieving a five gallon drum of red diesel almost every time he tended the cattle.

Another farmer has a holding miles from home, and I mean around 40 miles, and had a neighbouring farmer tend his cattle, obviously for a fee. He suspected that things were going missing and found that the neighbour and 'employee' who used his own tractor to feed silage was taking a shear grab full of silage home through the village to his own cattle every day.

All allegedly.