boogie xpro vs aviator

juke

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can anyone tell me what the spiroxamine does that's included in boogie , and if there is any benefit over aviator …
 

robbie

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Increase the margin for the company selling it!!!

Spiroxamine is a very old mildewicide.It was the default product in barley for mildew 20 plus years ago.

Prothio is the best azole for mildew in its own right so the inclusion of spiroxamine is questionable unless you've got a field full of candy floss looking plants.
 

Brisel

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It magically shows a huge yield margin over Aviator in Agrii trials. As Robbie said, really it's just market segmentation and making comparisons difficult. Spartacus, Skyway etc at other distributors.
 

Grass And Grain

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On the chemical price tracker thread they are currently talking about formulations and the better formulation of adexar vs using straights of its constituent components of flux plus epoxy.

Why would adexar be getting positive things said about it, but boogie the opposite?

The sales pitch is that the formulation with the spiroxamine helps to drag the bixafen and prothio into the plant. It would however, seem strange, if It was just for one distributor.

I dont know the answers, but there does seem to be some product bashing for a certain products and then extolling of virtues of another product due to its formulation.

I guess it is impossible for AHDB to do trials on all the possible fungicide options, but maybe a few of these products need some independent comparisons.

Have NIAB TAG any data on this?
 

robbie

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No independent trials for boogie that I can find only inhouse ones from the company that have the exclusive rights to sell it.

Products like adexar have been in lots of independent trials and have been proven to work. Also it's available from anywhere to anyone which prevents the leg lifting and is made from two straight forward products which are openly available which makes price comparison easy, when you throw in an extra oddball chem with limited availability and then tweek the rates of the other Chems in the mix, price comparison becomes impossible.
 

Brisel

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On the chemical price tracker thread they are currently talking about formulations and the better formulation of adexar vs using straights of its constituent components of flux plus epoxy.

Why would adexar be getting positive things said about it, but boogie the opposite?

The sales pitch is that the formulation with the spiroxamine helps to drag the bixafen and prothio into the plant. It would however, seem strange, if It was just for one distributor.

I dont know the answers, but there does seem to be some product bashing for a certain products and then extolling of virtues of another product due to its formulation.

I guess it is impossible for AHDB to do trials on all the possible fungicide options, but maybe a few of these products need some independent comparisons.

Have NIAB TAG any data on this?

Like I said, it's the segmentation of pet products for each distributor so there isn't the p*ssing contest between the big 5 saying one is better than the other. Boogie, Skyway, Spartacus etc aren't bad products, they are just designed to be "different" for markting reasons. Remember that most posters in the Price Tracker threads aren't serviced customers so are using mainstream products like Adexar and Aviator.
 

Gong Farmer

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How much would I be way off the mark in saying the if you look at the whole picture ie the country, all trials, field scale etc etc that the big 4 ie adexar, aviator, elatus and ascra are all much of a muchness?
Very true, if the programme beforehand has been done properly. Put them under stress, e.g. apply at T2 with no previous treatment, and you might tease them apart. E.g. Elatus is best on rust, Ascra on septoria but any will do the same job at T2 if the diseases are under control up to that point.
 

Brisel

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How much would I be way off the mark in saying the if you look at the whole picture ie the country, all trials, field scale etc etc that the big 4 ie adexar, aviator, elatus and ascra are all much of a muchness?

https://cereals.ahdb.org.uk/media/622525/is48-fungicide-activity-and-performance-in-wheat.pdf
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Gong Farmer

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Like I said, it's the segmentation of pet products for each distributor so there isn't the p*ssing contest between the big 5 saying one is better than the other. Boogie, Skyway, Spartacus etc aren't bad products, they are just designed to be "different" for markting reasons. Remember that most posters in the Price Tracker threads aren't serviced customers so are using mainstream products like Adexar and Aviator.
There's a depressing number of growers with serviced supply don't know what they pay for chemicals. Have heard several cases of the chemicals arriving on farm before the distributor agronomist visits
 

Brisel

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To be fair, NIAB TAG are fans of putting a litre of CTL in with most fungicides most of the time. Chlormequat is also pretty routine. Just how "fixed" are crop "variable" costs? I accept that what you're referring to is spring spray programmes determined in the distributors' winter meetings ;)
 

fudge

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To be fair, NIAB TAG are fans of putting a litre of CTL in with most fungicides most of the time. Chlormequat is also pretty routine. Just how "fixed" are crop "variable" costs? I accept that what you're referring to is spring spray programmes determined in the distributors' winter meetings ;)
Going forward this is an academic debate but isn’t the inclusion of ctl in any septoria program evidence based?
 

Brisel

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Going forward this is an academic debate but isn’t the inclusion of ctl in any septoria program evidence based?

Yes. That's what I pay my subscription to them for. Evidence and trials. I've got a fairly good idea of what my wheat will need in terms of sprays before I've even planted it - of course the products & rates are tweaked as we go along, reacting to changing disease & weed pressure but I know I'll get a good return on CTL at T0, T1 and T2 (unless I have to react & resort to fast acting curative products).
 

ajd132

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To be fair, NIAB TAG are fans of putting a litre of CTL in with most fungicides most of the time. Chlormequat is also pretty routine. Just how "fixed" are crop "variable" costs? I accept that what you're referring to is spring spray programmes determined in the distributors' winter meetings ;)
Now when we start taking stuff real next level in terms of CA, soil health etc etc if we can get it correct this is when the fixed variable cost truly becomes variable. This is my long term aim.
 
To be fair, NIAB TAG are fans of putting a litre of CTL in with most fungicides most of the time. Chlormequat is also pretty routine. Just how "fixed" are crop "variable" costs? I accept that what you're referring to is spring spray programmes determined in the distributors' winter meetings ;)

Sounds like I would have been a good NIAB TAG kind of guy. CTL and CCC like washing up liquid to me. I'd put em on grass if it was legal.:LOL:
 

B'o'B

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Which manufacturer of the above gave you the nicest pen at cereals?


There is your answer.(y)
Only a pen! I want at the very least a note book and pen holder to go with it, along with some other tat that will get thrown in the bin as soon it breaks the first time I try and use it On all honesty the promotional tat has got to the point that it actually put me off. Buy on product merit, ignore merchandising tat
 

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