Boris Johnson's Resignation Letter

Discussion in 'Brexit & Politics' started by Tigger, Jul 9, 2018.

  1. Tigger

    Tigger Member

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    Worcestershire
    Agree or disagree but there's some interesting points:

    "
    Dear Theresa,

    It is more than two years since the British people voted to leave the European Union on an unambiguous and categorical promise that if they did so they would be taking back control of their democracy.

    They were told they would be able to manage their own immigration policy, repatriate sums of UK cash currently spent by the EU, and, above all, that they would be able to pass laws independently and in the interests of the people of this country.

    Brexit should be about opportunity and hope. It should be a chance to do things differently, to be more nimble and dynamic, and to maximise the particular advantages of the UK as an open, outward-looking global economy.

    The dream is dying, suffocated by needless self-doubt.

    We have postponed crucial decisions - including the preparations for no deal, as I argued in my letter to you of last November - with the result that we appear to be heading for a semi-Brexit, with large parts of the economy still locked in the EU system, but with no UK control over that system.

    It now seems that the opening bid of our negotiations involves accepting that we are not actually going to be able to make our own laws. Indeed we seem to have gone backwards since the last Chequers meeting in February, when I described my frustrations, as Mayor of London, in trying to protect cyclists from juggernauts. We had wanted to lower the cabin windows to improve visibility; and even though such designs were already on the market, and even though there had been a horrific spate of deaths, mainly of female cyclists, we were told that we had to wait for the EU to legislate on the matter.

    So at the previous Chequers session we thrashed out an elaborate procedure for divergence from EU rules. But even that now seems to have been taken off the table, and there is in fact no easy UK right of initiative.

    Yet if Brexit is to mean anything, it must surely give Ministers and Parliament the chance to do things differently to protect the public. If a country cannot pass a law to save the lives of female cyclists - when that proposal is supported at every level of UK Government - then I don't see how that country can truly be called independent.

    Conversely, the British Government has spent decades arguing against this or that EU directive, on the grounds that it was too burdensome or ill-thought out. We are now in the ludicrous position of asserting that we must accept huge amounts of precisely such EU law, without changing an iota, because it is essential for our economic health - and when we no longer have any ability to influence these laws as they are made.

    In that respect we are truly headed for the status of colony - and many will struggle to see the economic or political advantages of that particular arrangement. It is also clear that by surrendering control over our rulebook for goods and agrifoods (and much else besides) we will make it much more difficult to do free trade deals. And then there is the further impediment of having to argue for an impractical and undeliverable customs arrangement unlike any other in existence.

    What is even more disturbing is that this is our opening bid. This is already how we see the end state for the UK - before the other side has made its counter-offer. It is as though we are sending our vanguard into battle with the white flags fluttering above them. Indeed, I was concerned, looking at Friday's document, that there might be further concessions on immigration, or that we might end up effectively paying for access to the single market.

    On Friday I acknowledged that my side of the argument were too few to prevail, and congratulated you on at least reaching a Cabinet decision on the way forward. As I said then, the Government now has a song to sing. The trouble is that I have practised the words over the weekend and find that they stick in the throat. We must have collective responsibility. Since I cannot in all conscience champion these proposals, I have sadly concluded that I must go.
    "

    (from https://www.itv.com/news/2018-07-09/in-full-boris-johnsons-resignation-letter-to-theresa-may/)
     
  2. JP1

    JP1 Moderator

    He is a charlatan that only belatedly came to be a Brexiteer. He cares only about himself and his career and he bottled it in the last leadership bid, been a thorn in the side every since and now deserves to just wither

    Total embarrassment
     
  3. will l

    will l Member

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    Beauce france
    You want to try living abroad, he is cringeworthy, seen by people around here as a clown discredits the UK
     
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  4. JP1

    JP1 Moderator

    He also cannot set foot in Liverpool ..........
     
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  5. Jackov Altraids

    Location:
    Devon
    It is very fashionable to hate and mock him and considering the huge number of swords out for him, he has actually done pretty well. Of course he hasn't got everything right and made some mistakes but he is much better than the way his detractors try to paint him.
    One of the main criticisms of politicians today is their unwillingness to have strong opinions and have the guts to stick their heads above the parapet from time to time.
    The reason they don't is because otherwise you get all the flack like Boris does.
    I don't think I'd like him as prime minister but would hope he remains in politics for a long time.
     
  6. JP1

    JP1 Moderator

    He IS the Machiavellian back stabber in chief.

    You think he's got guts? He bottled it after the referendum , he could have stood for PM
     
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  7. Thick Farmer

    Thick Farmer Member

    Location:
    West Wales
    He probably will soon!
     
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  8. Werzle

    Werzle Member

    Location:
    Midlands
    Well done boris, told it like it is and thats why you are popular amongst the british public.
     
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  9. Jackov Altraids

    Location:
    Devon
    Machiavellianism is also a term that some social, forensic and personality psychologists use to describe a person's tendency to be unemotional, and therefore able to detach themself from conventional morality and hence to deceive and manipulate others.
    You then say he lacks guts and bottled it when he could have been PM.

    This looks like a classic example of lambasting the person rather than countering their argument.

    I'm not a fan but countless times have seen, heard and read headlines mocking Boris and in almost every case when I got to know what he'd actually said it was absolutely clear he was being deliberately misrepresented.
    I do like the fact that unlike 99% of other MP's, he doesn't just regurgitate the preordained party lines which makes most political interviews pretty bloody pointless.
     
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  10. JP1

    JP1 Moderator

    Machiavellian I say because I consider he knows exactly what he is doing, uses mock buffoonery to disarm his critics whilst quietly manipulating the agenda in the background.

    He sat on the fence for a long time before coming down in favour of Brexit. I am still of the opinion that this was not germain to his core beliefs but all to do with his career.
     
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  11. Ashtree

    Ashtree Member

    Like hell. He is no conviction politician. Sat on the Brexit fence till the very last second, trying to judge which side of the argument would maximise his personal chances of getting to No 10.
    Then his failure to show up for the Heathrow airport vote .... total abdication of promises made.

    Then his village idiot gaffes .....

    He’s nothing more than a two bit parish pump county councillor! Would have made a good extra in the Benny Hill show or the likes.

    Engerland for the World Cup!!!!
     
  12. Jackov Altraids

    Location:
    Devon
    It is interesting how the anti-brexit brigade cynically view Boris's 'fence sitting'.
    My interpretation is that as an undeniably clever chap, he absolutely understood the complex cases for both sides of the argument.
    The reason that remain lost and why I think leaving is right is because I believe those who voted leave fully understand the reasons to remain whereas many remainers can't seem to comprehend the case for leaving.
    Although the eventual outcome is monumentally different, the reasons for voting one way or the other, are not.

    In the referendum there was a choice of 2 stools on which to sit. I think Boris's letter clearly describes how he fears we are heading to fall squarely on the floor between the 2.
     
  13. Pond digger

    Pond digger Member

    Location:
    East Yorkshire
    I think that’s a bit unfair; Brexit isn’t an easy choice for anyone with conscience.
     
  14. Muck Spreader

    Muck Spreader Member

    Location:
    Limousin
    I personally get fed up with people telling me how clever Johnson is and how his buffoonery is just a cloak. If he is so ruddy cleaver it's about time he started showing some of it. If there is one thing in short supply at the moment it's clever politicians.
     
  15. Hindsight

    Hindsight Member

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    Lincolnshire
    Max Hastings wrote an interesting piece in todays The Times about BoJo.
     
  16. JP1

    JP1 Moderator

    Johnson / Mandelson, Two sides of the fence but don't give a monkeys about the subject, only what they will get out of it period.

    And yes, it is a very easy choice but you have to have a conscience, a plan and know your subject.

    As an affirmed remain but reform supporter, I'm have been regularly been castigated for my beliefs; even had folks publicly say they'd never buy from me because of my beliefs etc
     
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  17. Pond digger

    Pond digger Member

    Location:
    East Yorkshire
    Well I certainly didn’t/don’t find it an easy choice to vote leave, so I certainly wouldn’t denigrate others for voting remain.
     
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  18. He is no fool, he didn't like what he saw, so he resigned in protest as what he sees as an epic fail and a PM who refuses to carry out the will of the electorate. She needs to go, it is as simple as that. She can't grasp the nettle and few of her allies can either. BREXIT means BREXIT.
     
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  19. Exfarmer

    Exfarmer Member

    Location:
    Bury St Edmunds
    Jonston has resigned because he has read the writing on the wall. Brexit is a crock of s***. He went for Brexit at the last moment when he realised that would get the vote.
    Now he finds that there is absolutely nothing to be gained from this move he is trying to position himself away from the fire, hoping to pick up something from the ashes.
    He has tried to position himself as a Churchillian figure , but in truth he is a vicar of Brey
     
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  20. wanton dwarf

    wanton dwarf Member


    I think you might be surprised.

    It's of course not just Johnson on his own, something will happen where the Brexit MPs will coordinate Mrs May's downfall. Even if she stays she'll not have the numbers to put through policy even with the DUP.

    She'll end up doing nothing for years.

    I personally like Johnson but at times he's a bit of a knob .. but still, compared to someone like Bush or Blair he's pretty good. I don't have enough evidence on Mrs May but I do feel "in my water" that both Mrs May & David Cameron have done serious damage to civil liberties & freedom of speech - time will tell.
     
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