Boris........

Honest john

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Location
Fenland
If national governments had grounded all flights mid feb what would have happened to millions of people stranded in lockdown in countries that don't want them there? On a normal day of Heathrow and Gatwick daily 175,000 passengers, between a third and a half would be homeward bound. From mid feb the number of passengers taking outbound flights surely dropped very rapidly.

They would be repatriated by our government.
Isolated for 14 days on arrival.

This is still ongoing in USA see US Secretary of State at there task force press conference on Wednesday.
 
Yes,and we’ve just shelled out a heap to sort out one of our health problems however it has been worth every penny.

Private health treatment is the way to go.(y)

I dislike private healthcare immensely (Although we do have health insurance).

The reason is, that the second you become elderly or a less than ideal patient, with any kind of high dependency type need, they won't want to touch you. The NHS gets all the difficult cases by default.
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
Only the vets are in a vocation.

A weird statement. I would suggest there are dozens of professions that would class as vocations and I would certainly see many health service professions, religious leaders, teachers, scientists, sports professionals etc etc as vocationally driven. Whilst becoming a vet maybe seen as a vocation, over 40% have often left the profession within 5 years of graduating.
 

DrWazzock

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
If national governments had grounded all flights mid feb what would have happened to millions of people stranded in lockdown in countries that don't want them there? On a normal day of Heathrow and Gatwick daily 175,000 passengers, between a third and a half would be homeward bound. From mid feb the number of passengers taking outbound flights surely dropped very rapidly.

we had plenty of time to implement a gradual ramp down of non essential air travel starting 1st january. First we should have stopped all residents leaving the country unless on critical business. Next we should have asked British citizens abroad to take the opportunity to return home by mid feb or risk being locked out. The airports should have been closed to incoming foreign tourists on 1st january. Those here should have been given a deadline to leave by the end of january.
It was utter madness that schools were still going to Italy for skiing trips in mid February, all passing through Milan airport almost at the epicentre of the virus in Italy. Every case in this district was initially “somebody who returned from Italy” before they spread it into the community.
I don’t think we tried hard enough. The WHO initially said there was no proof of human to human transmission and have never admitted air travel is the perfect mechanism for uncontrolled rapid spread. The WHO is an abysmal failure IMO.

So instead of taking the hit on just the tourism industry we have brought our entire economy to its knees and endangered the lives of millions.
We gave up the fight before it had even started.
 

tepapa

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Livestock Farmer
Location
North Wales
we had plenty of time to implement a gradual ramp down of non essential air travel starting 1st january. First we should have stopped all residents leaving the country unless on critical business. Next we should have asked British citizens abroad to take the opportunity to return home by mid feb or risk being locked out. The airports should have been closed to incoming foreign tourists on 1st january. Those here should have been given a deadline to leave by the end of january.
It was utter madness that schools were still going to Italy for skiing trips in mid February, all passing through Milan airport almost at the epicentre of the virus in Italy. Every case in this district was initially “somebody who returned from Italy” before they spread it into the community.
I don’t think we tried hard enough. The WHO initially said there was no proof of human to human transmission and have never admitted air travel is the perfect mechanism for uncontrolled rapid spread. The WHO is an abysmal failure IMO.

So instead of taking the hit on just the tourism industry we have brought our entire economy to its knees and endangered the lives of millions.
We gave up the fight before it had even started.
You are correct in what you say but you forget your talking about human beings with rights. They have a right to go abroad and on skiing holidays. At that stage of the virus nobody would have excepted restrictions on their every day lives and 'needs' as the threat had not arrived.
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
we had plenty of time to implement a gradual ramp down of non essential air travel starting 1st january. First we should have stopped all residents leaving the country unless on critical business. Next we should have asked British citizens abroad to take the opportunity to return home by mid feb or risk being locked out. The airports should have been closed to incoming foreign tourists on 1st january. Those here should have been given a deadline to leave by the end of january.
It was utter madness that schools were still going to Italy for skiing trips in mid February, all passing through Milan airport almost at the epicentre of the virus in Italy. Every case in this district was initially “somebody who returned from Italy” before they spread it into the community.
I don’t think we tried hard enough. The WHO initially said there was no proof of human to human transmission and have never admitted air travel is the perfect mechanism for uncontrolled rapid spread. The WHO is an abysmal failure IMO.

So instead of taking the hit on just the tourism industry we have brought our entire economy to its knees and endangered the lives of millions.
We gave up the fight before it had even started.

The WHO issued a warning to European counties about the risk of an epidemic of Covid-19 on the 12th January. Many seem to have been ill prepared or initially unwilling to take it seriously.
 
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Danllan

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Location
Sir Gar / Carms
A weird statement. I would suggest there are dozens of professions that would class as vocations and I would certainly see many health service professions, religious leaders, teachers, scientists, sports professionals etc etc as vocationally driven. Whilst becoming a vet maybe seen as a vocation, over 40% have often left the profession within 5 years of graduating.
Purely for pedantry… there are only three professions, in descending order: Bar; Medicine; Clergy. :angelic:
 

Hindsight

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Location
Lincolnshire
Purely for pedantry… there are only three professions, in descending order: Bar; Medicine; Clergy. :angelic:

I kept bees for a while.

A client gave me his four hive when his doctor advised him to get rid as he had become so reactive to stings his doctor considered the anti histamine product he prescribed every Spring would be insufficient to keep him alive if stung. I was never sure if my client liked me or not!

But his comment to me was there are three sorts of folk keep bees: The Clergy, Judges and Eccentrics!
 

Danllan

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Location
Sir Gar / Carms
I kept bees for a while.

A client gave me his four hive when his doctor advised him to get rid as he had become so reactive to stings his doctor considered the anti histamine product he prescribed every Spring would be insufficient to keep him alive if stung. I was never sure if my client liked me or not!

But his comment to me was there are three sorts of folk keep bees: The Clergy, Judges and Eccentrics!
I had a headmaster who kept bees and Mrs Danllan is starting up this year... I have a wooden camel bell :scratchhead:
 
A weird statement. I would suggest there are dozens of professions that would class as vocations and I would certainly see many health service professions, religious leaders, teachers, scientists, sports professionals etc etc as vocationally driven. Whilst becoming a vet maybe seen as a vocation, over 40% have often left the profession within 5 years of graduating.

I was describing the difference between what vets have to do compared dentists and doctors. When you consider what they have to do it is nuts.

The rest of what you list is incomparable.
 

JP1

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Livestock Farmer
there are always restrictions on our everyday lives
Big plus 1. You may have rights but be Dutch and accept you also have responsibilities to yourself and to others

Out on stock checking now you take your life in your hands even more with country roads with folks speeding everywhere through villages etc and that's with many more walkers and cyclists about. It's ridiculous around here
 

Poorbuthappy

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
A weird statement. I would suggest there are dozens of professions that would class as vocations and I would certainly see many health service professions, religious leaders, teachers, scientists, sports professionals etc etc as vocationally driven. Whilst becoming a vet maybe seen as a vocation, over 40% have often left the profession within 5 years of graduating.
Not disagreeing necessarily, but what does "over 40% have 'often' left the professional within 5 years" mean?

And with 75-80% female, a high %age will leave to have a family. Sorry if that sounds sexist, but I suspect it's fact.
 

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
Big plus 1. You may have rights but be Dutch and accept you also have responsibilities to yourself and to others

Out on stock checking now you take your life in your hands even more with country roads with folks speeding everywhere through villages etc and that's with many more walkers and cyclists about. It's ridiculous around here
Its not to bad here a few extra people on bikes and walking but not noticed anyone driving any faster
Odd how nearly since the day this kicked off the weather has been nice, go back a month or two and they would have been glad to stay home
 

Poorbuthappy

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
Big plus 1. You may have rights but be Dutch and accept you also have responsibilities to yourself and to others

Out on stock checking now you take your life in your hands even more with country roads with folks speeding everywhere through villages etc and that's with many more walkers and cyclists about. It's ridiculous around here
Yep, with rights come responsibilities.
 

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