BPS demise and ELMS introduction

[Neddy flanders]

does anyone have a link to the chart on BPS reduction % depending on size through the transition period?

Am I right that BPS will start to fall in 2021 yet ELMS not start until 2024 (with payment in 2025 no doubt)?. Could be interesting....

 

[Sonoftheheir]

I can’t find anything online

 

[Gedd]

does anyone have a link to the chart on BPS reduction % depending on size through the transition period?

Am I right that BPS will start to fall in 2021 yet ELMS not start until 2024 (with payment in 2025 no doubt)?. Could be interesting....

Article on farmers weekly with percentage deductions for 2021 boris and co will decide annually after that the way I understand it

 

[Guy Smith]

 

[Martyn]

thanks very useful layout

 

[Guy Smith]

 

[Guy Smith]

To be clear the NFU do not endorse any of this. We think there should still be a role for some sort of stability payment in English agricultural policy - which seems accepted by the Welsh and Scots administrations.

We also have reservations about the pace of this. The record of British governments in rolling out new schemes is appalling. Things need to be tested and tested again before they a launched half baked onto their victims.

 

[spin cycle]

so will there be no new stewardship entries now

 

[B'o'B]

so will there be no new stewardship entries now

New agreements being signed up to 2024 looking at the NFU slide

 

[Hindsight]

so will there be no new stewardship entries now

On the NFU chart I make out that new CS sign ups continue through to 2024. Minister said can then switch to ELMs witout any penalty.

 

[spin cycle]

i've not seen anything about new applications for 2020 yet .......i was offered extension as my agreement ends next month....i didn't want to renew as i wanted to have a little tidy up and change...i assumed i'd be able to reapply but now i'm wondering if i've fallen between 'stools'

 

[Guy Smith]

The future of Countryside Stewardship schemes is a very good discussion point. The programme is still to roll out CS schemes until 2024 and they will be five year scheme till 2029 unless government morphs them into ELMs.
My concern is CS is nothing like on track. It was meant to absorb roughly half those coming out of HLS/ELS but it isn’t because of lack of confidence in it.

So we could be looking at four years of less and less farmers in Ag-env. We are keen on HLS roll overs but that might mean by 2025 we have a hotch potch of ghost HLS, half baked under-achieving CS and newly rolled out ELMs - with the usual teething problems.

Personally I’d like to see DEFRA get CS back on track by encouraging more uptake with better options - and of course prompt payments would help as well.

 

[lloyd]

To be clear the NFU do not endorse any of this. We think there should still be a role for some sort of stability payment in English agricultural policy - which seems accepted by the Welsh and Scots administrations.

We also have reservations about the pace of this. The record of British governments in rolling out new schemes is appalling. Things need to be tested and tested again before they a launched half baked onto their victims.

With all that's going on in certain parts of the world
it's pretty shocking that no value seems to be placed
on food security at home.
Told to produce less meat etc.
The BBC seem to be quoting the NFU, can you
confirm your exact position on this please?

 

[spin cycle]

The future of Countryside Stewardship schemes is a very good discussion point. The programme is still to roll out CS schemes until 2024 and they will be five year scheme till 2029 unless government morphs them into ELMs.
My concern is CS is nothing like on track. It was meant to absorb roughly half those coming out of HLS/ELS but it isn’t because of lack of confidence in it.

So we could be looking at four years of less and less farmers in Ag-env. We are keen on HLS roll overs but that might mean by 2025 we have a hotch potch of ghost HLS, half baked under-achieving CS and newly rolled out ELMs - with the usual teething problems.

Personally I’d like to see DEFRA get CS back on track by encouraging more uptake with better options - and of course prompt payments would help as well.

to me the payment problems seem to be getting better

i do appreciate your input on this thread guy....i've not been the greatest 'fan' of the nfu ? but i appreciate you being on here....our local nfu sec is trying to persuade me to ditch cla and join nfu....you've done her cause the power of good

 

[beardface]

My main question is how new payments will be linked to farmers without the use of entitlements and what h as opens if you leave said farm? Also how landlords will view drinking of payments from the outset in regards to asset values and rental values in regards to upcoming rent reviews and future lettings.

 

[DRC]

The future of Countryside Stewardship schemes is a very good discussion point. The programme is still to roll out CS schemes until 2024 and they will be five year scheme till 2029 unless government morphs them into ELMs.
My concern is CS is nothing like on track. It was meant to absorb roughly half those coming out of HLS/ELS but it isn’t because of lack of confidence in it.

So we could be looking at four years of less and less farmers in Ag-env. We are keen on HLS roll overs but that might mean by 2025 we have a hotch potch of ghost HLS, half baked under-achieving CS and newly rolled out ELMs - with the usual teething problems.

Personally I’d like to see DEFRA get CS back on track by encouraging more uptake with better options - and of course prompt payments would help as well.

Never offered me a HLS roll over, which would’ve been good at the time ( 4 yrs ago), so I’m not in any scheme now and good options got ploughed back up. ( tenanted farm and could afford arable reversion to be called pp), yet hearing of people being offered anything from 1 to 4 yr roll overs now.

 

[Neddy flanders]

thankyou @Guy Smith that's what I was looking for. In broad terms, all BPS payments will be approximately just 50% of 2020 values by the time ELMS can feasibly be ready, but probably be more likely down to 30-40%

 

[Princess Pooper]

i've not seen anything about new applications for 2020 yet .......i was offered extension as my agreement ends next month....i didn't want to renew as i wanted to have a little tidy up and change...i assumed i'd be able to reapply but now i'm wondering if i've fallen between 'stools'

Probably open from mid February if follows same timescale as last year. They've not processed all last year's applications yet.

 

[Feldspar]

*If* they end up pitching ELMS payment rates for options (which may be off the mark for how it ends up being structured) at income foregone payment rates, then in general it will be wrong to see these as replacing lost BPS amounts. These will replace the amount we would have made from cropping the land. Even if govt pay out the same as they did before Brexit, if that is *replacing* previous cropping income, then the result to farmers will the loss of BPS with no replacement. If they take up the ELMS then they may well be farming a lot less land and maybe making the same profit (excluding BPS), but with BPS gone there will still be a big hole.

My prediction is that this will terminally stress some of the poorer performing business / those with shaky financial standing, and I think there will be some tough adjustments. Where people refuse to take the king's shilling, and are also in that category, then the adjustment may happen even sooner.

 

[Guy Smith]

With all that's going on in certain parts of the world
it's pretty shocking that no value seems to be placed
on food security at home.
Told to produce less meat etc.
The BBC seem to be quoting the NFU, can you
confirm your exact position on this please?

We’ve been quite clear that food security should always be a touchstone in any agricultural policy. We were pleased to see such a review put in the new Ag Bill.

BUT the key point for debate is whether food security should be achieved through trade or through home production. We would place more emphasis on the latter than the former.