BPS reduction = rent reduction

[glasshouse]

....and have to consider how they are going to make their asset pay. Someone will have to manage it for them. Perhaps a new breed of contractor who can establish and run a stewardship scheme.

If the money was stopped, there would be no stewardship

 

[Brisel]

If the money was stopped, there would be no stewardship

That assumes there’s no stewardship money. A massive IF. BPS is going - we know that. £2.3bn pledged for ELMS.

 

[Clive]

If you look at the numbers I think you will find at least 50% of farms farms don't....

50% need to do what the other 50% do then !

there is no public funded “right” to be bad at a job

 

[digger64]

That assumes there’s no stewardship money. A massive IF. BPS is going - we know that. £2.3bn pledged for ELMS.

Unless its money for old rope what is the attraction of being locked into it ? If payments are results based and incurs costs and capital input could be considered high risk surely unless the opportuniy cost of what is happening now is negative , most lowland would still have a rental value of some sort without bps , is everybody assuming farm products will have a low value for ever more ? - strange view considering the political , economic , climate and social issues we are being confronted with at the moment .

 

[Clive]

The magic money trees we are all going to have to plant of course!

remember in this game of monopoly the bank can just keep printing more !

takes a bit of getting your hrsd around but there will never be a shortage of money and government debt means absolutely nothing

 

[B'o'B]

remember in this game of monopoly the bank can just keep printing more !

takes a bit of getting your hrsd around but there will never be a shortage of money and government debt means absolutely nothing

Right now maybe, but at some point in the future it will mean something. At the end of the day inflation/deflation does mean something even in a fiat money economy, eventually.

 

[Henarar]

50% need to do what the other 50% do then !

there is no public funded “right” to be bad at a job

Didn't you take a big subsidy in the form of planning permission, I seem to remember something about that on here, perhaps we should all do that, but if that were allowed in other words you could build anywhere then there would be no such thing as planning permission and folk that get it like you would get the big pay out would they.
Must say that those that take one form of subsidy that others can't have and then say those others should do without another form of subsidy rather get on my fecking nerves

 

[Clive]

Didn't you take a big subsidy in the form of planning permission, I seem to remember something about that on here, perhaps we should all do that, but if that were allowed in other words you could build anywhere then there would be no such thing as planning permission and folk that get it like you would get the big pay out would they.
Must say that those that take one form of subsidy that others can't have and then say those others should do without another form of subsidy rather get on my fecking nerves

no

someone posted while ago they heard i got 18 million for a couple of acres now under the M6 toll ! ......... in fact it was compulsory purchased for less than replacement value !

fake news -don’t believe all you read on the internet !

wish it was true though ! if it was i certainly would not be farming right now ! I have borrowings and depend on farming to make a living and pay the bills just like most of you, we don’t even own a lot of the land we farm, mostly tenants / contract farming

 

[Clive]

Right now maybe, but at some point in the future it will mean something. At the end of the day inflation/deflation does mean something even in a fiat money economy, eventually.

not sure it will - they seem to have got away with printing more in 2008

 

[Henarar]

no

someone posted while ago they heard i got 18 mullion for a couple of acres now under the M6 toll ! ......... in fact it was compulsory purchased for less than replacement value !

fake news -don’t believe all you read on the internet !

wish it was trie though ! if it was i certainly would bot be farming right now ! I have borrowings and depend on farming to make a living and pay the bulls just like most of you, we don’t even own a lot of the land we farm, mostly tenants / contract farming

Apologies
I was sure you mentioned making a development happen, must have been someone else

But the point still stands, many will condem farmers for taking a government payment for keeping the place looking nice while they themselves grab government money and/or services and other things like PP that is limited to a few people and therefore valuable with both hands.

 

[Clive]

Apologies
I was sure you mentioned making a development happen, must have been someone else

But the point still stands, many will condem farmers for taking a government payment for keeping the place looking nice while they themselves grab government money and/or services and other things like PP that is limited to a few people and therefore valuable with both hands.

i have built a couple of very nice houses (both to live in myself at the time, one now sold). and we converted barns for my parents, we have built up commercial and residential property as a diversification that has bern successful over the years alongside farming ...... no loto style development windfalls sadly though, hard work and making the most of what you have really

but mostly my income comes from farming mostly other peoples land