Breakup of United Kingdom.

[jamesmartin]

The UK never took the idea of the EU seriously hence the jokers who were elected from the UK to the European Parliament. In reality the EU was far too big with far too much diversity but the UK never really played its part. There was no EU to vote for or against just different parties many of whom actually were quite anti the idea of the EU however they all liked to put their snouts in the trough.

eu parliament doesnt decide the direction of the eu,and eu scepticism isnt just the preserve of the uk
uk did play a full part but the ultimate aim greater unification was allways denied from the start and so difficult for uk politicians to keep the public on side
ukip meps got elected as there was no other way of expressing dissatisfaction with the direction of travel,but they had no influence or ability to change/reform anything with the eu,that left only one option leave or remain

 

[manhill]

Talking about slavery, weren't the slaves sent to the Americas better off than they were in Africa? They were clothed and fed, sometimes educated, converted to Christianity. Were they luckier than the the ones left behind to face a precarious existence and tribal wars even as still happens today.

 

[Ashtree]

Talking about slavery, weren't the slaves sent to the Americas better off than they were in Africa? They were clothed and fed, sometimes educated, converted to Christianity. Were they luckier than the the ones left behind to face a precarious existence and tribal wars even as still happens today.

Oh dear….

 

[jamesmartin]

Talking about slavery, weren't the slaves sent to the Americas better off than they were in Africa? They were clothed and fed, sometimes educated, converted to Christianity. Were they luckier than the the ones left behind to face a precarious existence and tribal wars even as still happens today.

choice is rather the vital point, it was not up to anyone else to decide whats better for them or any other,though even if slaves werent going to the americas many would have gone as slaves elsewhere

 

[Lowland1]

Talking about slavery, weren't the slaves sent to the Americas better off than they were in Africa? They were clothed and fed, sometimes educated, converted to Christianity. Were they luckier than the the ones left behind to face a precarious existence and tribal wars even as still happens today.

In 2021 I’d say the descendants of slaves should be doing better than those who weren’t enslaved however I would have thought that those who were captured and transported weren’t particularly lucky.

 

[manhill]

Oh dear….

I know, I know, thought that would stimulate the debate. It's all been so one sided.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Talking about slavery, weren't the slaves sent to the Americas better off than they were in Africa? They were clothed and fed, sometimes educated, converted to Christianity. Were they luckier than the the ones left behind to face a precarious existence and tribal wars even as still happens today.

Fancy walking up and repeating that to some 6 foot 5 Afro-Caribbean in Milwaukie.

 

[manhill]

Fancy walking up and repeating that to some 6 foot 5 Afro-Caribbean in Milwaukie.

decendents of slaves have reached some of the highest positions in the US. Slavery of course was a terrible thing but facts are facts and indirectly, because of slavery, they are in those positions, I think it's good to see them doing well and the more the merrier, it would be a better country for it.

 

[ollie989898]

Talking about slavery, weren't the slaves sent to the Americas better off than they were in Africa? They were clothed and fed, sometimes educated, converted to Christianity. Were they luckier than the the ones left behind to face a precarious existence and tribal wars even as still happens today.

Do you have any idea how those poor people were rounded up and transported, treated during the voyage and then treated when they actually arrived in the Americas?

 

[jamesmartin]

Do you have any idea how those poor people were rounded up and transported, treated during the voyage and then treated when they actually arrived in the Americas?

rounded up ?that was fellow africans serving several markets

 

[Pasty]

Freedom is the important factor. Self determination and yet today, we are giving it all away with our progress towards a social credit system as implemented by China and started here with the track and trace which I am now told has been updated with mental health history and 'alleged crimes'. Modern day slavery. Job done and we're lapping it up.

 

[ollie989898]

Freedom is the important factor. Self determination and yet today, we are giving it all away with our progress towards a social credit system as implemented by China and started here with the track and trace which I am now told has been updated with mental health history and 'alleged crimes'. Modern day slavery. Job done and we're lapping it up.

China isn't going anywhere. They will be stuck in the same problem that Brazil is.

 

[Pasty]

China isn't going anywhere. They will be stuck in the same problem that Brazil is.

I agree. They are not a dynamic economy and will soon be left in the past again. I see them selling off world assets quite soon and hyper inflation may liquidate their entire economy, as it will a few others.

 

[ollie989898]

I agree. They are not a dynamic economy and will soon be left in the past again. I see them selling off world assets quite soon and hyper inflation may liquidate their entire economy, as it will a few others.

Their government won't allow that to happen because the present situation is what is keeping them in power.

The present population is moving toward having the wrong demographics hence their shift in policy.

 

[stewart]

I agree. They are not a dynamic economy and will soon be left in the past again. I see them selling off world assets quite soon and hyper inflation may liquidate their entire economy, as it will a few others.

I am no fan of China and the way they operate but FFS have you ever been there? You are way wide of the mark with your assessment of the country, it is far more advanced than you give it credit for, certainly more technologically advanced than the UK ( which itself is stuck in the past ) they have a very dynamic economy soon to be the biggest in the world, very unlikely to sell off the world assets they hold.

 

[Pasty]

I am no fan of China and the way they operate but FFS have you ever been there? You are way wide of the mark with your assessment of the country, it is far more advanced than you give it credit for, certainly more technologically advanced than the UK ( which itself is stuck in the past ) they have a very dynamic economy soon to be the biggest in the world, very unlikely to sell off the world assets they hold.

I hear their 'social credit' system is very advanced. EU going the same way. Good luck with that.

 

[stewart]

I hear their 'social credit' system is very advanced. EU going the same way. Good luck with that.

As previously stated I am no fan of China, I am however a realist and China is far from the backward country many portray. Why are you so concerned with what happens in China or the EU

 

[Pasty]

As previously stated I am no fan of China, I am however a realist and China is far from the backward country many portray. Why are you so concerned with what happens in China or the EU

Particularly the EU as its one of the UK's major tourist destinations and if we have to show our papers.....

It's actually fine for me, I'll stay at home and be happy managing my little farm and little wood with what time I have left. I worry for my children.

 

[Lowland1]

eu parliament doesnt decide the direction of the eu,and eu scepticism isnt just the preserve of the uk
uk did play a full part but the ultimate aim greater unification was allways denied from the start and so difficult for uk politicians to keep the public on side
ukip meps got elected as there was no other way of expressing dissatisfaction with the direction of travel,but they had no influence or ability to change/reform anything with the eu,that left only one option leave or remain

The EU parliament regulated the EU in the same way the UK parliament regulates the UK in the EU policy is instigated by the Council in the way policy is instigated by the ruling party in the UK. In the EU the press and business leaders had a bit less sway however.

decendents of slaves have reached some of the highest positions in the US. Slavery of course was a terrible thing but facts are facts and indirectly, because of slavery, they are in those positions, I think it's good to see them doing well and the more the merrier, it would be a better country for it.

There was a programme on Radio 4 a week last Friday where some west Indian immigrants traced their descendants back to a plantation in the Carribean they were very angry about how their people had been treated. Then they traced the family of the plantation owner ( slave owner) to the present day. They found the Heron family in Detroit they were now black and poor. The father of the woman they talked to had been Glasgow Celtics first black player and her half brother was Gil Scott Heron the 'father of hip hop' The man who wrote the revolution will not be televised was in fact the descendant of a slave owner. It doesn't make slavery O.K but it just makes looking back a bit pointless if you are looking for someone to blame . Slaves and their owners are long dead.

 

[stewart]

Particularly the EU as its one of the UK's major tourist destinations and if we have to show our papers.....

It's actually fine for me, I'll stay at home and be happy managing my little farm and little wood with what time I have left. I worry for my children.

Isn’t that what you wanted? Less integration with the EU. Chances are you will only need papers if you are exporting or want to work in the EU, going on holiday should be fine.