Breed change on passport

[Zippy768]

Took my eye off the ball about 4 months ago when a group of calves arrived. I have a "Hereford" steer that looks remarkably like an Aberdeen Angus. Whole animal black. Hereford on passport though.

Had a look through computer and I have both Herefords and Angus from the same farm all with correct passports.
Is there anything I can do?

 

[valtraman]

Not sure why U would even want to try and change a breed on a passport. If u have bought these calves in u have to take what’s on the passport is what they are. The original breeder would be in the sh!t for a incorrect registration probably would have to do blood tests etc to determine proper sire of calve. U will trigger all sorts of stuff like cattle inspections if u make a fuss . Sit tight and say nowt

 

[Zippy768]

Not sure why U would even want to try and change a breed on a passport. If u have bought these calves in u have to take what’s on the passport is what they are. The original breeder would be in the sh!t for a incorrect registration probably would have to do blood tests etc to determine proper sire of calve. U will trigger all sorts of stuff like cattle inspections if u make a fuss . Sit tight and say nowt

I wasnt gonna make a fuss. Just wondering if there was an easy way round it.

I have an animal I want to sell. None of my Hereford buyers would be happy to see a complete black "Hereford" turn up.
Just hoping there might be a solution that was simple.

My mistake for accepting from the calf buyer. An over sight on my part

 

[wullbr]

Never dealt with bought in animals but have made a couple of mistakes registering breeds myself. Just scored out the incorrect breed, wrote in the correct one then sent it into BCMS. They will send out an amended passport in a couple of weeks. No major questions asked.

 

[Werzle]

Took my eye off the ball about 4 months ago when a group of calves arrived. I have a "Hereford" steer that looks remarkably like an Aberdeen Angus. Whole animal black. Hereford on passport though.

Had a look through computer and I have both Herefords and Angus from the same farm all with correct passports.
Is there anything I can do?

Put a cross through the incorrect breed, write the correct breed next to it and post it to bcms.

 

[Zippy768]

Never dealt with bought in animals but have made a couple of mistakes registering breeds myself. Just scored out the incorrect breed, wrote in the correct one then sent it into BCMS. They will send out an amended passport in a couple of weeks. No major questions asked.

Put a cross through the incorrect breed, write the correct breed next to it and post it to bcms.

So it's as simple as changing the sex?

 

[wullbr]

Yip!

 

[Zippy768]

Yip!

Even if it was an animal brought for Mart? I am not the breeder

 

[wullbr]

I think they'll be too busy to chase a little issue like finding a single calves parentage but you cant be sure with them
Seriously though, I cant see there being a problem tbh. You could give them a phone for piece of mind before you send it in if you like.
It really shouldn't have been allowed through the market.

 

[matthew]

We sold a Baz x calf which the buyer wanted the breed changing to AA.
AA named sire’s are all DNA tested, and our tags have a tissue sample Stored for x breeds. I offered this to the buyer to back check. He refused it.
I could be wrong but I thought only the breeder could change the breed. Not a buyer who may want the AA premium.

 

[Zippy768]

Obviously it currently has a Named sire but a Hereford named sire. If I could change it, it certainly wouldn't have a pedigree sire.

 

[DKnD]

I've done it before, bought in bbx calf with a passport that said Holstein. Phoned bcms, they gave a reference and sent the passport to them. They contacted the breeder to confirm. Was all fine. No inspections or anything.

 

[YELROM]

We have just bought 3 bullocks in the mart but when I got them home one of them is female on the passport, have checked it’s number and it is registered wrong.
Can I simply just send the passport back to bcms to get it changed or does the breeder have to do it?

 

[cull cows]

We have just bought 3 bullocks in the mart but when I got them home one of them is female on the passport, have checked it’s number and it is registered wrong.
Can I simply just send the passport back to bcms to get it changed or does the breeder have to do it?

Yes just send back with a note explaining what’s wrong and what needs changing

 

[Werzle]

We have just bought 3 bullocks in the mart but when I got them home one of them is female on the passport, have checked it’s number and it is registered wrong.
Can I simply just send the passport back to bcms to get it changed or does the breeder have to do it?

Sometimes it helps if you let the market know too so they have it on file, "IF" bcms play you up the market can back you up. Market staff usually kick themselves if they have missed something simple like the sex on a pp and the auctioneer hasnt been able to announce it. I bought one a while ago that the vendor had expertly written FE infront of MALE on the pport, market wasnt impressed with them.

 

[Agrivator]

About 95% of passports returned to BCMS are to change the sex. I wonder what pollution has been caused by the reprinting and postage of countless passports for something as trivial. The only benefit is that it provided someone at Workington with a job.

Why is the sex of such importance? A feeding heifer and a steer are almost identical.

So if a mistake has been made, why didn't someone use a bit of common sense right at the start and allow the passport holders to make the change themselves. After all, we are allowed to fabricate DOB, Dam Identity, Sire Identity ......................

 

[Whitepeak]

Two of our local auctioneers have stopped accepting cattle to store sales if their passports require any alterations.
Think they might have also stopped announcing if an animal is named sire if the sire details are hand written on the passport. They now what it printed on.

 

[Anymulewilldo]

Two of our local auctioneers have stopped accepting cattle to store sales if their passports require any alterations.
Think they might have also stopped announcing if an animal is named sire if the sire details are hand written on the passport. They now what it printed on.

You shouldn’t be allowed too sell an animal if the passport isn’t correct. End of. Why should the buyer have too go too the trouble of contacting BCMS and explaining the issue then sending it off to be changed. That’s the breeders job.
I can see where the auctioneers are coming from because it’s them that take the flack if a buyer has any problems. As for named sire, it should be printed on the passport. If you want the benefit of the NS beef schemes then just take an extra second or two when registering the calf and it’s all done. Official and perfect. Saves so much aggravation later on.

 

[Anymulewilldo]

@Whitepeak i wasn’t aiming that last post at you!! Just read it and realised it could be seen as having a pop at you!! Sorry it wasn’t intended I assure you! I don’t think Blondes count for the Named Sire schemes do they??

 

[Whitepeak]

@Whitepeak i wasn’t aiming that last post at you!! Just read it and realised it could be seen as having a pop at you!! Sorry it wasn’t intended I assure you! I don’t think Blondes count for the Named Sire schemes do they??

Don't worry I understood it wasn't aimed at me
Nope, no named sire for Blondes unfortunately. Although we have been putting sire tag numbers on passports for a few years now. Who needs a named sire scheme though when I'm selling non farm assured, blonde bulls for market topping prices most weeks?