Brexit again.

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
I was reading elsewhere that Brexit was responsible for lack of food on some supermarkets shelves in this country and its also responsible for not being able to export the stuff, perhaps its all a good thing as there seems to be a shortage of lorry drivers to move it anyway. perhaps folk will just have to run what they brung as Martin Brundle said
 

robs1

Member
You really, really should check facts. We are still stocking your shelves with beef. I didn’t say we left the UK market. I said we abandoned the UK land bridge for our EU traffic. We can’t be standing around while you lot get in a drama about EU paperwork. Time is money.
Good keep your lorries off our roads, never paid to use them but cause them to break up and lots of congestion. Win win
 

arcobob

Member
Location
Norfolk
Exactly! And what's wrong with gruel anyway? Or water from a standpipe? If rickets was good enough for my father, then it's good enough for me
Ricketts is caused by vitamin D deficiency and is not greatly influenced by diet. Never mind , it makes a good story. :whistle:
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
As for other matters, I heard an interesting interview on the radio a few days ago; the interviewee was a prof' of something or other - at Oxford I think, though he sounded Latin - and he reckoned that by 2025-26 the UK would have increased its importing of foodstuffs from non-EU countries by around 25%. A significant amount, as I think we can all agree. But not as significant as the estimated further 20% by about 2030, and yet another 20% by 2040, all estimates of course, it could well be a bit lower, or higher.
Prof Tim Lang was on the World at One last week. Stating that the shortages were a consequence of Brexit and it was completely bonkers to have voted leave the EU when half our food comes from their.

He added: “We’re now seeing Brexit beginning to work. We’re seeing here the realities of people voting to leave the EU on which we depended for all sorts of migrant labour in the food sector,” he said. “Whether it’s sandwiches, chicken, retail or the hospitality sector – we’re seeing stresses and strains everywhere.”
 

Ashtree

Member
Derr...! No, we can keep whatever standards we wish, and those wanting to sell to here will have to meet them; just as, if we wish to sell to the EU, we'll have to meet theirs. It isn't complicated. (y)

As for your last bit, no again; and you haven't written what I am sure you know is the actual truth; i.e that the paperwork is the same regardless of whether or not 'EU standards' are complied with when one does not submit oneself to the EU's authority*. But you knew that already.

Out of interest, any news about the great idea of the lefties / greens (and attached nutters) in the EP to have a new 'EU Law' to ensure all oil and gas coming into the EU is sourced 'ethically'?

My take on what they regard as ethical is that it doesn't harm the environment or help finance oppressive and undemocratic regimes; but I'm sure the EC - under orders from Germany - will find that neither the Middle East nor Russia do anything bad in any way, at all, ever. What do you think? 😐


*I know this because some things an interest of mine send to over the the EU, despite being tested and confirmed as way above any required standard here or in the EU, now require additional and unnecessary form-filling; whereas because the UK has decided not to be vindictive - and, by the way not break the terms of our trade agreement as the EU are (foolishly leaving a shot in our locker for the future) - we get the same stuff from, e.g. Germany as we did before in the same way, with no additional hassle, for now. But we may source from South Korea or Japan in future if our stuff keeps being picked on, the savings in buying from there offsetting the inconvenience to us.
I suggest with the very greatest of respect, that you toddle back to the legal business. I’m sure the legal types, would read your ramblings, peer over their monocles and demur only in the most rare of occasions.
Me, a mere pleb who has hit my sixth decade of which four of those have been toiling in manufacturing engineering, and trading the output of our labours, across all continents.
I have by now gathered quite enough practical experience of all the requisite paperwork required at pretty much all borders.
Enough experience indeed to spot a bullshitter and chancer in the long grass of such matters. I’ve long since singled you out as the perfect bulls**t expert in matters of trade and compliance with the requisite paperwork.
Don‘t take any offence at my observations as none are intended. I’m sure you are highly acclaimed in legal circles.
 

czechmate

Member
Mixed Farmer
Prof Tim Lang was on the World at One last week. Stating that the shortages were a consequence of Brexit and it was completely bonkers to have voted leave the EU when half our food comes from their.

He added: “We’re now seeing Brexit beginning to work. We’re seeing here the realities of people voting to leave the EU on which we depended for all sorts of migrant labour in the food sector,” he said. “Whether it’s sandwiches, chicken, retail or the hospitality sector – we’re seeing stresses and strains everywhere.”


My son working over in the fens, the growers over there just cannot source staff now. Some huge pay rates being offered.
 

czechmate

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Mixed Farmer
One thing it will mean is that we won't be obliged to share a quota of the vast number of 'migrants' that the EU will be having to take in over the next few years... doesn't mean none will end up here, the lying and hypocritical French will do their least, as usual, to prevent lives being risked in the English Channel. Another thing will be that we won't have to send treasure or people to the 'frontier', which is about as porous as one can imagine.

As for other matters, I heard an interesting interview on the radio a few days ago; the interviewee was a prof' of something or other - at Oxford I think, though he sounded Latin - and he reckoned that by 2025-26 the UK would have increased its importing of foodstuffs from non-EU countries by around 25%. A significant amount, as I think we can all agree. But not as significant as the estimated further 20% by about 2030, and yet another 20% by 2040, all estimates of course, it could well be a bit lower, or higher.

Now, this is / will be in a fair part for political reasons, but the main argument was that of climate and cost. The EU won't be able to produce a lot of what we want, not in sufficient quantity, and not at the right price. He reckoned we'll be buying from South America, various parts of Africa and, possibly Russia, with Canada and New Zealand increasing exports to us as well. I don't recall his mentioning Australia... but I buy Ozzie wine whenever possible and I'm sure others do to. :)


I have always supported LCFC and was a season ticket holder for a good number of years. You remind me of myself a bit of the year (circa 2007) when Leicester were relegated to the third tier, but I would still chant on « Leicester, by far the greatest team, the world has ever seen »

😂😂

I’m glad for you your happy with it👍 (Lucky for you you don’t grow veg🧐)
 

czechmate

Member
Mixed Farmer
We have got to change our habits. My wife buys broccoli and cauliflower all the year round but there is no need. There are plenty of sprouts, cabbage, kale and root veg during winter in the UK.
I avoid imported food wherever possible, especially if it comes from the EU. I would rather patronise African economies.

I’ll put my hands up...
I haven't bought a David Brown for 25 years😬

btw, all the seed I used to buy from Elsoms seemed to be Dutch 🤷‍♂️
 

Ashtree

Member
Meanwhile HMG’s policy of ditching the EU CE mark, has been ever so quietly jettisoned for another year. Dear, oh dear, but “sovereignty” is such a malleable principle. One can dispense with it‘s core values, as quickly as and as often as ones PM, can do a U turn on “die in a ditch policy”!
 

arcobob

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Location
Norfolk
I’ll put my hands up...
I haven't bought a David Brown for 25 years😬

btw, all the seed I used to buy from Elsoms seemed to be Dutch 🤷‍♂️
Apart from cereals and grasses 90% of it was Dutch. The Dutch agri/horti industry is heavily government supported unlike our industry which successive governments have failed to recognise. They get subsidised heating for their glass, or used to, and a massive state owned plant breeding research centre which works closely with the commercial breeders. We would rather shuffle papers and screw people with finance deals. :(
 

robs1

Member
Shows how smart the french are by comparison - uk lorries paying tolls to use the roads👍
I dont know why we havent charged all foreign lorries so much per visit to the uk to recoup the cost of the roads, we have a toll pass to use in france it makes it much easier at the tolls especially when driving alone, it surprises me how many of the french dont have one, only costs us 6 quid a year and something per month of use, the time it saves in big queues is worth the cost on its own
 

Ashtree

Member
Good keep your lorries off our roads, never paid to use them but cause them to break up and lots of congestion. Win win

Reports that most of your own lorries parked up since EUman went home. Best pull the old Howard rotavator out of the nettles for next spring. Full montage of veggies need to be in the ground, to keep fuel in your belly come end of year.
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
Problem being; there is a huge chunk of the population that don’t want any f**king foreigners going in, phrases such as “we are full”, so; they are a bit buggered really 🤷‍♂️
They had better get used to it, it's just the start. The exodus from Hong Kong could get underway at anytime plus Boris is busy letting the whole of British industry and commerce be sold to speculators and hedge funds. The place will soon be owned, run and populated by foreigners.
 
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Lowland1

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Mixed Farmer
I have always supported LCFC and was a season ticket holder for a good number of years. You remind me of myself a bit of the year (circa 2007) when Leicester were relegated to the third tier, but I would still chant on « Leicester, by far the greatest team, the world has ever seen »

😂😂

I’m glad for you your happy with it👍 (Lucky for you you don’t grow veg🧐)
Phone call today asking for more Beans, more Broccoli and more Peas not quite sure why as it’s peak season in the UK
 

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