Brexit has been cancelled

Discussion in 'Brexit & Politics' started by Fragonard, Dec 6, 2017.

  1. wanton dwarf

    wanton dwarf Member


    He does have a problem ... kinda one dimensional, well 2 dimensional if you include he's pro Lie-bore
     
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  2. fudge

    fudge Member

    Trade and specialization create economic growth and employment. This process has continued for centuries in or out of trading blocs. Old jobs disappear new ones are created. It’s a case of adapt or die in the labour market. For you and wanton dwarf to deny this is ridiculous.
     
  3. Danllan

    Danllan Member

    Couldn't agree more; but you are silly, attributing words again... You will not find a single instance of me advocating anything other than a free market, that is a key reason I voted to leave the EU. What's your point again?
     
  4. wanton dwarf

    wanton dwarf Member


    It's a strange thing to say jobs die out and then they re-appear 1000s of miles away ... and they just so happen not to be paying the same level of Environmental taxes ... kinda spooky, a "magician" destroys a factory with one hand & hey presto a new factory appears in the other ... "just like that"

    We produced Steel in Sheffield for over 200 years, all gone because some posh git couldn't be bothered ... if you consider our history it goes back a lot longer than that.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36337180
    "When China's economic development slows down as it has done in the past five years, there's too much steel at home and producers cut prices to export the stuff. This time the steel glut is a huge one."

    In response the USA put on a 500% tax to stop their industry being decimated
     
  5. fudge

    fudge Member

    My original point was that brexit was undeliverable by the current government. Their manifesto cannot be delivered. Therefore further instruction from the electorate is necessary. These points are valid and relevant to the thread unlike the contradictory red herrings trotted out by you and wanton dwarf.
    Yes they reappear in China where wages are much lower.
     
  6. wanton dwarf

    wanton dwarf Member


    Oh and BTW how do you see the reduction in EU agricultural prices after Russia put sanctions on EU agricultural products ?

    The EU put sanctions on Russia during the Ukraine crysis, the EU manufactured by giving 5,000,000,000 Euros to anti Russian groups by Baroness Catherine Ashton - Tony B-Liars mate - which caused Russia to put sanctions on EU agricutlural products which led to price drops across the board and crops rotting in the fields.

    Is this also "Old jobs disappear and new ones created" ?

    EU Climate Taxes are exactly the same ...
     
  7. wanton dwarf

    wanton dwarf Member


    Wages are not the biggest factor in some industries

    Energy costs are the biggest factor in heavy engineering

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/10/29/british-industry-faces-cost-energy-crisis-set-grow/

    Germany hands out €9bn to heavy industry, dwarfing amount paid by Britain
    https://www.ft.com/content/d91c122c-f828-11e5-96db-fc683b5e52db

    The UK steel industry has complained bitterly for years that it pays higher energy costs than European peers. The Eurostat figures quoted in the BIS committee report make the point. In 2014, UK steelmakers paid about 80% above the EU median for their electricity. UK government policies to meet legally binding targets to reduce carbon emissions are partly responsible.
    https://www.theguardian.com/busines...o-blame-for-the-steel-crisis-tata-port-talbot
     
    Last edited: Dec 7, 2017 at 8:34 PM
  8. fudge

    fudge Member

    Well if you think production won’t gravitate toward the places where total costs are lowest you are bonkers. A large part of that is scale of production.
     
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  9. wanton dwarf

    wanton dwarf Member


    You're just making things up now

    The fact is UK government & the EU have flushed UK businesses & jobs down the toilet using policy, regulation & taxes

    Only an idiot would transfer goods 1000s of miles across oceans and claim it to be "environmentaly friendly" but that is EXACTLY what they've done
     
  10. fudge

    fudge Member

    You and the other Brexit loving fools are the fantasists.
     
  11. wanton dwarf

    wanton dwarf Member


    Oh it's that bad is it ?
     
  12. fudge

    fudge Member

    Mmmmmm not yet.
     
  13. wanton dwarf

    wanton dwarf Member


    I'll quite EASILY point out how wrong you are

    If your statement was true then no other country would have stood a chance when the UK dominated worldwide industrial production

    Scale does NOT equate with success as is also shown in the UK business sector where jobs, training & employment is dominated by SME's

    In fact further ... the whole reason why Steel WAS dumped on the world markets was BECAUSE the Chinese Steel producers were too large
     
  14. fudge

    fudge Member

    You are entitled to your foolish opinion. But that’s all it is.
     
  15. wanton dwarf

    wanton dwarf Member


    ROFL ok .. I'll take it as read then
     
  16. Smith31

    Smith31 Member

    I think you will find that we can not compete with the likes of China, India etc.

    Argos can supply you with a Chinese made item for £5 whereas if it was produced here it would cost £10.
     
  17. wanton dwarf

    wanton dwarf Member


    Just another poor generalisation
     
  18. fudge

    fudge Member

    What’s been impressive about the whole Brexit movement has been the sheer intellectual rigor and analytical precision of the argument put forward.
     
  19. wanton dwarf

    wanton dwarf Member

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