Brexit - It's Being Killed Off

RobFZS

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Ouch, you tell him.

So back to Brexit. So the Customs union is going to remain (for the time being) for pragmatic reasons like the good of the economy, what is likely to change that things will suddenly look so much rosier outside the customs union? A full blown 3 000 000 unemployed recession?
And if you say it is an ongoing process then surely by the same token the process could reverse and we may rejoin the European Union or strengthen ties with our European neighbours if the folly of it all causes problems....
The customs union means diddly squat my good friend, If in a globalized world, we're going towards a 0 tariff arrangement with most countries anyway, what use will the customs union be?

i dunno why remainers are deciding the customs union of all things is the hill to die on, when the biggest battle, like it was in the 90's, will be the single market.

the boy who cried wolf too many times wont be listened to.

Also, the British public have never been sold ' the European Union and ever closer union' they were sold a common market, so any chance of going back in to the Eu is dead in the water.

The Customs union is essentially shite, because it interferes with our foreign policy, if we have no power to set our own tariffs, we have no clout in international relations, As remainers and hard brexiteers alike are working out, the Eu has alot of agreements where there are little to none tariffs on most goods, this is what the hard brexiteers want, being able to diverge is just another tool in the armory of international politics.

We're on full employment now pretty much, so there is no more growth to be had from conventional ways, i can see a recession on the horizion mostly because this busness cycle is pretty much done, but no doubt remainers will call our fickle economy is on it's death bed because of brexit uncertainty, while not even changing much, if that doesn't ring alarm bells for the idea things need changing now, i dont know what will.
 
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Zero will change just two seperate agreements with minor mods at best. Really like if u can prove me wrong on that.

More chance of better trade with uk...send u lamb for xmas...jolly good.

Im not anti trade im fair trade...and india needs an ass kicking atm.

We sell u some coal we will buy those shitty uk built cars...u drive a range river over here doesnt mean u rich means u a toff who cant let go of the motherland...and u got low iq to boot.

Ant...
 

capfits

Member
The customs union means diddly squat my good friend, If in a globalized world, we're going towards a 0 tariff arrangement with most countries anyway, what use will the customs union be?

i dunno why remainers are deciding the customs union of all things is the hill to die on, when the biggest battle, like it was in the 90's, will be the single market.

the boy who cried wolf too many times wont be listened to.

Also, the British public have never been sold ' the European Union and ever closer union' they were sold a common market, so any chance of going back in to the Eu is dead in the water.

The Customs union is essentially shite, because it interferes with our foreign policy, if we have no power to set our own tariffs, we have no clout in international relations, As remainers and hard brexiteers alike are working out, the Eu has alot of agreements where there are little to none tariffs on most goods, this is what the hard brexiteers want, being able to diverge is just another tool in the armory of international politics.

We're on full employment now pretty much, so there is no more growth to be had from conventional ways, i can see a recession on the horizion mostly because this busness cycle is pretty much done, but no doubt remainers will call our fickle economy is on it's death bed because of brexit uncertainty, while not even changing much, if that doesn't ring alarm bells for the idea things need changing now, i dont know what will.

This is all very interesting and valid of course. Opinions maybe somewhat different though and the politics are very different.
A lesson from history as to why Europe did elect to pull together. Was it being tired of war after state and statelite power games, the threat from the Soviet union, the need to rebuild post war, and possibly the easing of trade between states?

If as you say we are moving to zero tarriff world then why on earth do we have an immigration policy that restricts labour particularly after you state that we are at full employment when labour is what a great many business require to do anything?

I should also add that in today's news there are statements that our old commonwealth subjects in the antipodeas are likely to offer a better deal to the EU rather than there old imperial overlords,or friends here in the UK.

Pig in a poke?
 

RobFZS

Member
This is all very interesting and valid of course. Opinions maybe somewhat different though and the politics are very different.
A lesson from history as to why Europe did elect to pull together. Was it being tired of war after state and statelite power games, the threat from the Soviet union, the need to rebuild post war, and possibly the easing of trade between states?

If as you say we are moving to zero tarriff world then why on earth do we have an immigration policy that restricts labour particularly after you state that we are at full employment when labour is what a great many business require to do anything?

I should also add that in today's news there are statements that our old commonwealth subjects in the antipodeas are likely to offer a better deal to the EU rather than there old imperial overlords,or friends here in the UK.

Pig in a poke?

Everyone was quite happy with ease of trading, hence EFTA still exists today without the political interference.

With immigration there has to be comprimises, someone can come and live here tomorrow, but the facilities to house said person can take years, and so thus, untill a balance is made, we will continue to restrict migration, all the economic growth in the world cant build houses within weeks, nor can it replace green fields that are being built on in tory voting constituencies.

These deals are all coulda, woulda , shoulda, lets see what actually turns up on the night rather than a load of spin from the people who want you to hear what they would like you to hear.
 

baabaa

Member
Location
co Antrim
I guess the commonwealth "friends and allies", will now be too busy hammering out a trade deal with the criminals in Brussels,
to have time or resources to do likewise with Liam Fox:sleep:
Oh well, there's always Botswana and Namibia .........:whistle:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ommonwealth-negotiations-latest-a8363146.html
i am sure irish farmers will have a hundred thousand welcomes for this proposed new trade deal,
just like mercosur!:D
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-new...he-perfect-opportunity-to-halt-mercosur-deal/
 

Pasty

Member
Location
Devon
Problem is that the houses are not being built. Just a lot of public money being spent of Housing Needs Surveys and Local plans which involve putting a line around a potential plot but nothing ever happens. Then the district council tries it's best to reject any proposal to convert redundant ag/ industrial buildings into housing. I gather that the Sec. of State is going insane over this.
 

RobFZS

Member
There is a hell of alot of housing going up around my area, whether the residents like it or not, but now we're seeing with the talk of water shortages, we only have finite resources for soo many people, before we have to turn to more unconventional ways to facilitate the populous, then you have to think, are we really any better off?
 

RobFZS

Member
Ouch, you tell him.

So back to Brexit. So the Customs union is going to remain (for the time being) for pragmatic reasons like the good of the economy, what is likely to change that things will suddenly look so much rosier outside the customs union? A full blown 3 000 000 unemployed recession?
And if you say it is an ongoing process then surely by the same token the process could reverse and we may rejoin the European Union or strengthen ties with our European neighbours if the folly of it all causes problems....
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The Eu did a little chart on what the Customs union actually covers, highlighted in read, sweet FA in the grand scheme of things.

I'm fairly sure people are still confusing customs union, with customs checks, of which the single market covers...
 

RobFZS

Member
Thing about bully’s is they pick on a few weak links like NK, get a phyrric victory (which is still not in the bag), and expect others to run scared when they try their next bully boy act.
Can go tiits up though when the quiet guy in the background decides enough is enough ....
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-sanctions-nuclear-deal-juncker-a8358001.html
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...eu-steps-to-counter-u-s-iran-sanctions-threat

Well that didn't last long...
 

Ashtree

Member
Hearing on Irish radio this morning that British officials now privately talking about transition period until 2025. ....... have the cretins taken over the kitchen I wonder??!!

 

Ashtree

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RobFZS

Member
Suprised Ashtree is not shitting the bed in Glee at mr Corbyns latest proposal, leave the EEA, but have the closest possible ties to the 'internal market'

Lovely cherry bakewells.
 

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