Brexit machinery prices

[Adeptandy]

I'm slowly moving from plough to subsoiler & min til so still working through the list of requirements, was going well until the last couple of harvests, been more of a stall than press on, now need to sort a combine & short discs and hope the Teleporter hangs on for a few more years

 

[Farma Parma]

Farmers still buy kit, you need to upgrade to get job done somtimes

What happens is quite simple the well off famers more so the OWNER farmers still buy new for various reasons & they can generally afford it. The TENANTS aint so well off so they like me buy the used stuff when times aint so good or buy nowt n mend things like was the case not that long ago for everyone.
I could sit it out for another 10 years n buy nowt from now if i really needed too. stuff is just to have to last longer & thats the only way.
The machinery dealers will have to cut there cloth like we do its tough but there stuff shouldnt be so dammed overpriced in the first place. i guess the blame lands on the makers really. why dont they try n sell all this farming gear direct & have a taste of how hard it is.
Been there n done all of that & its bloody tough going financing things over longer terms etc etc.

 

[GTB]

We went through a period of trying not to buy anything for a few years. In the end the repair bills and downtime got so bad that we gave in and replaced the main tractor and telehandlers. Six year old tractor got p/x'd for a new tractor and replaced two old telehandlers with one 12 month old. Came to the conclusion it was better to pay x amount a month and be able to turn the key and get the job done than pee about with breakdowns and huge bills.

 

[Farma Parma]

We went through a period of trying not to buy anything for a few years. In the end the repair bills and downtime got so bad that we gave in and replaced the main tractor and telehandlers. Six year old tractor got p/x'd for a new tractor and replaced two old telehandlers with one 12 month old. Came to the conclusion it was better to pay x amount a month and be able to turn the key and get the job done than pee about with breakdowns and huge bills.

did the same on an ancient telehandler took the hit & 6yrs to buy its replacment which ive now had for nearly 13years & most likely have for another 10years
Nearly dropped when i asked now much its rep is now... try ni on double... it wont happen simples....

 

[GTB]

did the same on an ancient telehandler took the hit & 6yrs to buy its replacment which ive now had for nearly 13years & most likely have for another 10years

Biggest problem here is getting someone to repair old machinery. We have two local farm mechanics who are brilliant fair play, but they're up to their eyeballs and if you need something repaired in a hurry there isn't much hope.

 

[Smith31]

It's a lot cheaper and a far better investment to build a shed/workshop, instead of buying brand new machinery. The shed keeps the machinery dry and also gives you some where to work on it, when it's raining and you can't do other jobs.

It always amazes me how some farmers just leave expensive nearly new machinery, outdoors all year round.

 

[Farma Parma]

It's a lot cheaper and a far better investment to build a shed/workshop, instead of buying brand new machinery. The shed keeps the machinery dry and also gives you some where to work on it, when it's raining and you can't do other jobs.

It always amazes me how some farmers just leave expensive nearly new machinery, outdoors all year round.

all my gear is undercover ive some machines here thats 25yrs old & only come out at harvest & look like new still.
it pays to look after it all.

 

[holywell farmer]

been there n done all of that & its bloody tough going financing things over longer terms etc etc.

You say some farmers running older machines will plod on ?

 

[GTB]

It's a lot cheaper and a far better investment to build a shed/workshop, instead of buying brand new machinery. The shed keeps the machinery dry and also gives you some where to work on it, when it's raining and you can't do other jobs.

It always amazes me how some farmers just leave expensive nearly new machinery, outdoors all year round.

It depends a lot on two things...
A) Are you mechanically minded? If not a workshop isn't much use.
B) Most stock farms are busy all year round. There's usually no time to ponce about with broken machinery when the stock need feeding.
Agree about keeping kit inside and well maintained though where possible.

 

[Farma Parma]

You say some farmers running older machines will plod on ?

yeah id say so its either that or pack in. this is my home its everything i cant sell it to retire or change jobs id have no home.
maybes its a lifestyle thing but there is & always will be a buzz even if you make naff all just giving it a go & the old saying creeps in, its gotta be better next year

 

[Smith31]

all my gear is undercover ive some machines here thats 25yrs old & only come out at harvest & look like new still.
it pays to look after it all.

That's why I said some farmers.

I am just amazed sometimes, when I see thousands of pounds worth of machinary parked up all winter, facing the prevailing weather. Then the same farmers have breakdowns during harvest ,the following summer and complain about such and such a brand are rubbish.

 

[holywell farmer]

yeah id say so its either that or pack in. this is my home its everything i cant sell it to retire or change jobs id have no home.
maybes its a lifestyle thing but there is & always will be a buzz even if you make naff all just giving it a go & the old saying creeps in, its gotta be better next year

Probably going be few contractors running older gear who may pack job in,

 

[GTB]

Probably going be few contractors running older gear who may pack job in,

The thing is, if you go too long without replacing kit you get left behind and by then the thought of replacing everything becomes too expensive and daunting so you have to give up. Same applies to fencing and reseeding, once you start letting things slip behind it's a hell of a job to catch up afterwards.

 

[Farma Parma]

Probably going be few contractors running older gear who may pack job in,

i use a well long est contractor for couple of jobs & he is running older tractors for one thing. does a far a mount of work but seems to get through. says there is v little money in new stuff even tho it might be more reliable it just doesnt stack up. he sprays tens of thousans of acres with self propelled high clearance sprayers & cannot get anywhere near rep any one of them with a new one now.
the last new one he had was in 2005 & took 5years to pay it off year 6 before it made a penny, it has 14000hrs on now & still going

 

[Smith31]

It depends a lot on two things...
A) Are you mechanically minded? If not a workshop isn't much use.
B) Most stock farms are busy all year round. There's usually no time to ponce about with broken machinery when the stock need feeding.
Agree about keeping kit inside and well maintained though where possible.

Those are excellent points and I do not dispute them.

These are rough figures, please don't quote me on them;

When a new tractor costs £100,000, would it not be better to buy 2 x secondhand tractors (work hours shared) for £60,000 and then build a workshop for £25,000.

The shed will still be worth £25,000 in 5 years time, both secondhand tractors may still be worth £40,000?

Where as the brand new £100,000 tractor may only be worth £50,000 after 5 years?.

It wouldn't matter what Brexit brings that way.

 

[holywell farmer]

The thing is, if you go too long without replacing kit you get left behind and by then the thought of replacing everything becomes too expensive and daunting so you have to give up. Same applies to fencing and reseeding, once you start letting things slip behind it's a hell of a job to catch up afterwards.

There contractor near me runs older gear he doesn't chase jobs i.e. Wanting more, really Brexit will shape the machinery market for many years to come

 

[Farma Parma]

how anyone can justify £150k + on a self propped sprayer for instance is beyond him totally. runs 3 of them all multidrives & on 24m

 

[holywell farmer]

how anyone can justify £150k + on a self propped sprayer for instance is beyond him totally. runs 3 of them all multidrives & on 24m

I read farmers weekly and profi, some these contractor/ arable farmers have kit worth nearly million, that's lot dosh,

 

[Farma Parma]

There contractor near me runs older gear he doesn't chase jobs i.e. Wanting more, really Brexit will shape the machinery market for many years to come

This lad is much the same... little point in chasing new work unless it comes knocking then thats diff.
there is so many farmers sons doing this allready let them run there gear till it dies.
there is more to life than being a busy fool

 

[Farma Parma]

I read farmers weekly and profi, some these contractor/ arable farmers have kit worth nearly million, that's lot dosh,

all it does is depreciate like a stone when you wanna trade it in. it a lot of cases farm kit is ni on worse than the CAR rip off new vs used ie the day it leaves the showroom & drops 25%