Brexit ! What does this mean for us & you the farmers ?

[Martin Holden]

Anyone who believes we can come out with a free trade deal with the EU without free movement of people and our own international trading arrangements is living in cloud cookcoo land.

I wonder if we can make a trade deal with cloud cuckoo land? No I thought not!

 

[rob1]

Actually, three things have changed quite noticeably:

1. the electorate would, if we have a second referendum, now vote 'Remain'.

2. the public has lost nearly all faith in the Tories and, when there is another election, there will be a greater swing (again) towards Labour pour faute de meilleur.

3. the omissions and lies that underlay the 'Leave' campaign are now becoming ever more apparent. See 1 and 2 above. All that is left now is political bullying, which is counter-productive - who now thinks Theresa May can stay long in post? Or should?

I think that the mood of the UK is changing, at one of those periodic inflection points that are a feature of FPTP States, that may usher in quite radical change.

(But anyone who thinks that HM Treasury will fund £3 billion of UK environmental schemes is in denial anyway).

AS usual you are making things up again, your beloved left wing guardian produced a piece a couple of weeks ago that showed very little change in peoples opinion, IIRC TM still has more support than your mate corbyn in the latest polls, which ommissions and lies ? Where is the immediate recession that the remain campaign forecast, you would make a great politician you think if you keep spouting the same rubbish people will believe you

 

[Wendy10]

Strange that there has been no further comment from the op? He/She seems to have tossed a pebble into the pond and stepped back to see how far the ripples travel!

 

[romneymarsh]

AS usual you are making things up again, your beloved left wing guardian produced a piece a couple of weeks ago that showed very little change in peoples opinion, IIRC TM still has more support than your mate corbyn in the latest polls, which ommissions and lies ? Where is the immediate recession that the remain campaign forecast, you would make a great politician you think if you keep spouting the same rubbish people will believe you

This is what I don't get .

I was an 'on balance ' voter, based solely on current and mid term trade.Thinking about it on a more Nationalistic Sovereign level got all too complex.

I took the predictions to be as a result of leaving !
We haven't left the EU yet .
At the moment we are still a full if not functioning member .


It's simply to early too say that all the dire predictions were overstated. Wait until April 2019 .

 

[rob1]

This is what I don't get .

I was an 'on balance ' voter, based solely on current and mid term trade.Thinking about it on a more Nationalistic Sovereign level got all too complex.

I took the predictions to be as a result of leaving !
We haven't left the EU yet .
At the moment we are still a full if not functioning member .


It's simply to early too say that all the dire predictions were overstated. Wait until April 2019 .

but the predicitons were that it would happen the day after the vote not when we left, both sides used soundbites that werent accurate, lets face no country like the UK has left the EU or any other similar grouping so no one knows what will happen, it could be good or it could be bad, the reason I voted leave is I dont want to be part of the US of E and with the new euro army becoming ever closer its looking more and more likely that is where the eu will end up

 

[Dave645]

Why?

Farmers keep saying this, no one else does, is there any evidence for it, please?

I did state it's my thinking, if you want evidence, for why I think that I just look at the money, the state of some of the members, the state of some of the new possible members, laws, immigration, a system trying very hard to make a one shoe fits all system that is doomed to fail, each country is in vastly different positions, so trying to run them as one massive state will never be stable.

If we had remained the original core states of the EU and only took in new members when they were on an equal footing it may have worked, but not now, we need to make our selves attractive to the new superpowers up and coming, not hang on to the damp squib that the EU has turned into. If Germany pulled out it would collapse, they stay in because they got what they wanted from the Second World War, just without firing a shot. As they control it in all but name.
Even if that's not true it's their aim, they hold a lot of sway and power.

 

[Dave645]

Anyone who believes we can come out with a free trade deal with the EU without free movement of people and our own international trading arrangements is living in cloud cookcoo land.

Anything is possible, if we enter a tariff war we will win, overall it's going to hurt them as well but we can sign trade deals to stop some of the pain that tariffs may bring but they cannot, not as individual countries.

Free movement of people would be a silly thing to agree with on our governments part, if we don't get the chance to at least create a system where we can attract skilled labour we need, while not allowing any undesirables, by that I would include on a base level of convicted criminals if they commit a crime in the uk they are deported without question or need EU rulings. Anything above that is over my pay grade.

 

[Ashtree]

Brexit throws up a great opportunity for some enterprising chap to set up a vaseline manufacturing plant. The government will buy all the plant can produce and apply it to farmers! A sort of act of kindness

 

[jendan]

I'm involved in a couple of things at government level. I am telling you, if you are a low-land farm in the heart of the south east and you do nothing for the environment, you are not open to the public then you will not receive subsidy.

Come on then,spill the beans.Tell us what you know.

 

[jendan]

This is what I don't get .

I was an 'on balance ' voter, based solely on current and mid term trade.Thinking about it on a more Nationalistic Sovereign level got all too complex.

I took the predictions to be as a result of leaving !
We haven't left the EU yet .
At the moment we are still a full if not functioning member .


It's simply to early too say that all the dire predictions were overstated. Wait until April 2019 .

Agree with you.I voted the same way,for the same reasons.

 

[digaholedumper]

Strange that there has been no further comment from the op? He/She seems to have tossed a pebble into the pond and stepped back to see how far the ripples travel!

All your comments make an interesting read, I, like so many folk, have an idealistic end goal in mind but the bones of the matter is that no one knows how this will end up, Lets all keep our options open, Because we are going to need options to move forward & then hope we chose the right ones.

 

[Wendy10]

All your comments make an interesting read, I, like so many folk, have an idealistic end goal in mind but the bones of the matter is that no one knows how this will end up, Lets all keep our options open, Because we are going to need options to move forward & then hope we chose the right ones.

I agree. But the intensions of Michael Gove being aired on the BBC news this morning make for concerning listening? Green Brexit with powers being given to make it happen? If they haven't got the threat of removing our SFP from us, what next, fines, removing the right to keep animals?

 

[Woolly]

Why?
Farmers keep saying this, no one else does, is there any evidence for it, please?

There are quite a number of successful economies outside the EU. No reason why UK can't be one of them.

But we will have to rebalance our economy to produce things the rest of the world wants, which will be painful. But hopefully UK can retain a degree of self identity distinct from the Euroasian African melting pot that the EU is becoming.

Nations endure, empires don't.

 

[Hilly]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1448058345292402

 

[Hilly]

We should have walked the day after the vote, our politicians on all sides are pathetic.

 

[Farma Parma]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1448058345292402

Dyson is no fool...
agree with him 100%
they will all want us 10 times over just wait n see

 

[Muck Spreader]

Up until recently I was sure that there would be no trade agreement with the EU. I now think the EU is steering the UK into agreeing some form of last minute Norway option. This would effectively still tie the UK into most of the rules, regs and funding of Europe but remove us entirely from the decision making process. This would be a highly satisfactory outcome for the European federalists.

 

[Hilly]

Up until recently I was sure that there would be no trade agreement with the EU. I now think the EU is steering the UK into agreeing some form of last minute Norway option. This would effectively still tie the UK into most of the rules, regs and funding of Europe but remove us entirely from the decision making process. This would be a highly satisfactory outcome for the European federalists.

Because the silly cow in number 10 dosent want to leave, so they will leave in name only, spineless treacherous cowards.

 

[rob1]

Because the silly cow in number 10 dosent want to leave, so they will leave in name only, spineless treacherous cowards.

I think we need to wait and see what the final outcome is before we decide on how we view those involved

 

[Hilly]

I think we need to wait and see what the final outcome is before we decide on how we view those involved

Well you might be right but it aint looking good, and its a government they tend to ruin everything imo.