Brexit will happen! What's next?

[rob1]

He has been "persuaded by his friends" that his own views were mistaken.

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[David.]

Thats the very point - if the Remainers want to make the public change their mind, they can, by underhand dealing to make the nuts and bolts of Brexit so unpalatable that the public demand a second vote and vote to stay in. Brexit is perfectly workable, but not if more than 50% of the people in the machinery of government are actively working to thwart it. Then it would be a nightmare, and the public would have very little choice but to demand to stay put. The Remainers are not going to sit on their hands and let Boris and Co get the best deal out of Europe, they will be working behind the scenes with the EU to make the Brexit camp look bad and unable to cope.

Its the classic 'public service' mentality. Lets say the government has just cut your department budget by 10%, for austerity reasons. Do you a) work out what you've been doing that you don't need to, and cut that, and work out ways of doing the same but with less funds, or b) cut the most obvious services that the public will immediately notice, while leaving all the other waste and inefficiency untouched? The answer is (b) of course, that makes it harder for the government to cut your budget next time. All the public see is that their local library has been closed, not realising that there were many other ways of saving that money that wouldn't have impacted them, and they blame the government for the cuts that 'caused' it.

Thats how it will be with Brexit. All the public will see is the Boris and Co struggling to get a decent deal out of Europe, and blame them, not realising there's a Fifth Column working with the enemy (so to speak) behind the scenes.

Sad fact is that Yes Minister was a pretty faithful account of how government works.
Sure they do not think that the public should actually have anything more than a token say every 4 years or so, to keep us quiet, before carrying on pretty much as before.

 

[rob1]

Sad fact is that Yes Minister was a pretty faithful account of how government works.
Sure they do not think that the public should actually have anything more than a token say every 4 years or so, to keep us quiet, before carrying on pretty much as before.

Dont think the civil servants want much input from the politicians either much like the eu commission

 

[Pasty]

Why by growing GM crops will it be a race to see who makes the biggest net loss.some of you brexit people seem to think it will be just the same after we leave the single market not a chance we have got to compete against America and many other countries and we carnt do that with one hand tied behind our backs

Seems to be what is happening in the states. Why would we have a hand tied behind our backs? Unless we vote to stay in I guess and the EU ban Roundup.. Oops.

 

[Pasty]

I dont think it plausible that after a leave vote, however slim that result will not stand.
However i doubt that we will be able to leave overnight and there may be months of negotiations to come.
There is of course the possibility that after a Leave vote , that the EU may indeed come back with a far better offer to us, but i am not sure how they can do this, as every other country will be after better terms on there owndeal

The wording of the question would mean that a better offer would require another referendum though. Who is going to put that to us? They would be fools as it would be taking the p and voted down massively.

 

[Henarar]

@Henarar is right, the people are sovereign. Regardless of what else happens, the referendum result will be honoured either way. There is no way any government could survive if it went against the express wishes of the people. First the media, traditional and new, will destroy their credibility and drown anything they say. Then civil action will make it impossible for them to operate. There is no way in hell 99% of the police or the army will act against the population if its democratic will has been ignored.

Yes nothing worries the gov more than civil action and I think in this case they would get it
and I don't think much good would come of our gov or the EU making it difficult for us to leave cos at the end of the day we could just f**king do it

 

[More to life]

Yes nothing worries the gov more than civil action and I think in this case they would get it
and I don't think much good would come of our gov or the EU making it difficult for us to leave cos at the end of the day we could just fudgeing do it

I think a second vote would have to be eu led,sorry uk let's talk we need you sort of thing or they could just tell us to fudge off

 

[Henarar]

I think a second vote would have to be eu led,sorry uk let's talk we need you sort of thing or they could just tell us to fudge off

I wouldn't have a problem with a second vote with concretions from the EU, I just don't think they could get away with going against the will of the majority in a referendum

 

[Danllan]

I wouldn't have a problem with a second vote with concretions from the EU, I just don't think they could get away with going against the will of the majority in a referendum

I wouldn't trust them. It's their track record... they don't care for democracy they 'hear' but never listen (like Blair) and they promise but never act.

I would not venture into working with(in) any part of the EU again other than trade agreements. No more free movement beyond the normal 90 day agreements we have with most countries - if they want to work here they must have a job offer and proper visa before arrival and vice versa. No money given to them gratis. No laws imposed on us by people we can't sack. No foreign 'justice' of an entirely alien nature to us.

Just... good working relationships like we have we nearly all other countries in the world.