Brexit

Discussion in 'Brexit & Politics' started by The Seeker, Oct 9, 2017.

  1. rob1

    rob1 Member

    Location:
    wiltshire
    Its funny how all the doomongers have forgotten about TIR
     
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  2. Hindsight

    Hindsight Member

    Location:
    Lincolnshire

    Hi, yes, appreciate your sentiment. I too suspect that eventually some pragmatism will come to pass. But as a complete ignoramous once UK leaves the SM and CU then I presume goods passing out of UK into any third country will require paperwork and passage through the receiving countries customs.

    So for sake of an example if I sell a pallet of calabrese to a Swedish supermarket then today the haulier turns up in Lincolnshire, loads the pallet and 48 hours later after journeying through the Tunnel, and through France, Belgium and Denmark the truck arrives outside Malmo at the depot.

    After brexit - what will be the situation? Assuming in first instance tariff free - do I just strike a price call Andreas Andersson the haulier and away it goes as usual. Or will the truck be stopped at border posts to check paperwork and contents - if so will it be just on arrival in France as port of entry to EU or at other borders. And if tariffs are applied what happens then,

    You may not know the answers so do not worry if not - just say so and I am sure will eventually become apparent. Afraid am interested in the practicalities of how trade is going to take place. All the rhetoric is irrelevant it is practical detail that is needed.

    Cheers,
     
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  3. Hindsight

    Hindsight Member

    Location:
    Lincolnshire
    Aah - Transport International Routiers. Goodness that takes me back 30 years to the first European trucks to venture into UK - TIR stamped on the back of the trailer. I will have a look up. As you can tell I am a Lincolnshire hill billy - never leave the county boundary. Just see loads of Spanish and Dutch trucks everyday.
     
  4. Danllan

    Danllan Member

    Rob's post above is a good answer in itself, it is still good law and it is in use across the UK and the EU everyday.
     
  5. will l

    will l Member

    Location:
    41160 loir et cher
    l'Union européenne forme un seul territoire, y compris au regard du régime TIR, ce qui a pour corollaire l'élimination des formalités douanières au passage d'une frontière intérieure commune à deux États membres (E.M).

    the European Union forms a single territory, including in relation to the TIR procedure, which means that customs formalities are eliminated when a common internal border crosses two Member States (E.M).
     
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  6. Old McDonald

    Old McDonald Member

    Location:
    Inland Portugal
    No, but I do believe it will go on for a very long time. 60 years now, and I would be surprised if it did not last another 100. You can see how bloody minded the EU is being over Brexit, so can you really imagine some lesser country than the UK (one that currently receives funds rather than pays in) now voting to leave? The rules changed too on 31st March (the reason the PM had to give notification as soon as she did) and everyone has to agree to allow a country to leave now. Never going to happen.
     
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  7. Jackov Altraids

    Location:
    Devon
    What happens with non EU imports / exports now?

    I find it quite scary that they wouldn't be able to cope if we needed to secure our borders now. It is only a matter of time before disease, terrorism or other incident causes more problems than the immigration that paused schengen recently.

    The technology is cheap enough to chip and follow all packages electronically and charge accordingly. Only a proportion would then need to be checked.
    It can't be long before people are given the choice to pay for an upgraded biometric passport that allows for self scanning at checkpoints. A sub-cut chip and eye scan and keep walking.

    We can fret and moan or lead the way.
     
  8. Danllan

    Danllan Member

    I may be wrong but I think it is now a requirement to have the approval of 14 states, not all.
     
  9. Henarar

    Henarar Member

    Location:
    ZumerZet Somerset
    Always made me laugh that one
    so say a country wants to leave the EU and the rest of the EU says no so the country says well we are off anyway WTF are they going to do invade
    just stupid, but then the EU is stupid and Dick was right as we are seeing more and more
     
  10. Danllan

    Danllan Member

    You can check-out any time you like, but you can never leave...
     
  11. Henarar

    Henarar Member

    Location:
    ZumerZet Somerset
    so they would invade, so much for the EU being all about peace
    they may put sanctions on the offending country and not sell them anything, worked well with Russia FFS
     
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  12. joe soapy

    joe soapy Member

    Location:
    devon
    eu sanctions on uk trade could work well, no wine,cars farm machinery, tractors. lorries plus an enormous list of other things.
    Might have to mobilise the civil servants and service sector and unemployed to actually be productive.
    Could be just the thing to make UK great again.
     
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  13. bobk

    bobk Member

    Location:
    stafford
    Yes ban french wine , citroen and renault ..... save the UK millions .
     
  14. matthew

    matthew Member

    We have voted to be a 'third country' outside this fortress of open borders. So customs an d BIPs (Border Inspection Posts) are needed, as are an unspecified number of physical inspections, particularly applicable to food products and pharmaceuticals.
    Hold ups at ports are inevitable . Manageable as far as non perishable goods are concerned with stock piling. Lethal for perishable products.
     
  15. bobk

    bobk Member

    Location:
    stafford
    Every port and airport in the UK has a hard border + calais , what's the problem .
     
  16. caveman

    caveman Member

    Location:
    East Sussex.
    Bonded warehouses.
    Just check the container seals at the ports.
     
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  17. rob1

    rob1 Member

    Location:
    wiltshire
    TIP covers over 70 countries it works well especially for big companies, most perishable food movements will be into the uk rather than the other way round. While custom officials might play silly buggers the people buying our goods will soon kick up a fuss if they get messed around
     
  18. bobk

    bobk Member

    Location:
    stafford
    Thing is rob , since the evolution of the EU they have very few border officers.
     
  19. rob1

    rob1 Member

    Location:
    wiltshire
    Yes I agree thats true, the same would apply to us, perhaps to a lesser degree, both sides need to be preparing now not the day before, I think almost everyone would agree that trade between countries is good,it is in no ones interests to play silly buggers, except perhaps those that want to make political points and of course any impact from that wont affect them.
     
  20. bobk

    bobk Member

    Location:
    stafford
    They're crapping themselves regards contagion . therefore their thinking is muddled .

    They have concerns regarding the Irish border ..... are we in the Customs Union or not :scratchhead: if we knew the answer we could do something .
     

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