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Discussion in 'Brexit & Politics' started by The Seeker, Oct 9, 2017.
Its funny how all the doomongers have forgotten about TIR
Hi, yes, appreciate your sentiment. I too suspect that eventually some pragmatism will come to pass. But as a complete ignoramous once UK leaves the SM and CU then I presume goods passing out of UK into any third country will require paperwork and passage through the receiving countries customs.
So for sake of an example if I sell a pallet of calabrese to a Swedish supermarket then today the haulier turns up in Lincolnshire, loads the pallet and 48 hours later after journeying through the Tunnel, and through France, Belgium and Denmark the truck arrives outside Malmo at the depot.
After brexit - what will be the situation? Assuming in first instance tariff free - do I just strike a price call Andreas Andersson the haulier and away it goes as usual. Or will the truck be stopped at border posts to check paperwork and contents - if so will it be just on arrival in France as port of entry to EU or at other borders. And if tariffs are applied what happens then,
You may not know the answers so do not worry if not - just say so and I am sure will eventually become apparent. Afraid am interested in the practicalities of how trade is going to take place. All the rhetoric is irrelevant it is practical detail that is needed.
Aah - Transport International Routiers. Goodness that takes me back 30 years to the first European trucks to venture into UK - TIR stamped on the back of the trailer. I will have a look up. As you can tell I am a Lincolnshire hill billy - never leave the county boundary. Just see loads of Spanish and Dutch trucks everyday.
Rob's post above is a good answer in itself, it is still good law and it is in use across the UK and the EU everyday.
l'Union européenne forme un seul territoire, y compris au regard du régime TIR, ce qui a pour corollaire l'élimination des formalités douanières au passage d'une frontière intérieure commune à deux États membres (E.M).
the European Union forms a single territory, including in relation to the TIR procedure, which means that customs formalities are eliminated when a common internal border crosses two Member States (E.M).
No, but I do believe it will go on for a very long time. 60 years now, and I would be surprised if it did not last another 100. You can see how bloody minded the EU is being over Brexit, so can you really imagine some lesser country than the UK (one that currently receives funds rather than pays in) now voting to leave? The rules changed too on 31st March (the reason the PM had to give notification as soon as she did) and everyone has to agree to allow a country to leave now. Never going to happen.
What happens with non EU imports / exports now?
I find it quite scary that they wouldn't be able to cope if we needed to secure our borders now. It is only a matter of time before disease, terrorism or other incident causes more problems than the immigration that paused schengen recently.
The technology is cheap enough to chip and follow all packages electronically and charge accordingly. Only a proportion would then need to be checked.
It can't be long before people are given the choice to pay for an upgraded biometric passport that allows for self scanning at checkpoints. A sub-cut chip and eye scan and keep walking.
We can fret and moan or lead the way.
I may be wrong but I think it is now a requirement to have the approval of 14 states, not all.
Always made me laugh that one
so say a country wants to leave the EU and the rest of the EU says no so the country says well we are off anyway WTF are they going to do invade
just stupid, but then the EU is stupid and Dick was right as we are seeing more and more
You can check-out any time you like, but you can never leave...
so they would invade, so much for the EU being all about peace
they may put sanctions on the offending country and not sell them anything, worked well with Russia FFS
eu sanctions on uk trade could work well, no wine,cars farm machinery, tractors. lorries plus an enormous list of other things.
Might have to mobilise the civil servants and service sector and unemployed to actually be productive.
Could be just the thing to make UK great again.
Yes ban french wine , citroen and renault ..... save the UK millions .
We have voted to be a 'third country' outside this fortress of open borders. So customs an d BIPs (Border Inspection Posts) are needed, as are an unspecified number of physical inspections, particularly applicable to food products and pharmaceuticals.
Hold ups at ports are inevitable . Manageable as far as non perishable goods are concerned with stock piling. Lethal for perishable products.
Every port and airport in the UK has a hard border + calais , what's the problem .
Just check the container seals at the ports.
TIP covers over 70 countries it works well especially for big companies, most perishable food movements will be into the uk rather than the other way round. While custom officials might play silly buggers the people buying our goods will soon kick up a fuss if they get messed around
Thing is rob , since the evolution of the EU they have very few border officers.
Yes I agree thats true, the same would apply to us, perhaps to a lesser degree, both sides need to be preparing now not the day before, I think almost everyone would agree that trade between countries is good,it is in no ones interests to play silly buggers, except perhaps those that want to make political points and of course any impact from that wont affect them.
They're crapping themselves regards contagion . therefore their thinking is muddled .
They have concerns regarding the Irish border ..... are we in the Customs Union or not if we knew the answer we could do something .