Brexit

[lazy farmer]

So ever closer union to you is AOK, on the provisio it saves folk a few hundred quid for travel insurance. Good work.

Just as long as get the last word @ollie989898

 

[Cowabunga]

OK. Tell us your solution as to how we honour the will of the 17.4m who voted to leave the EU.

Many will have had second thoughts by now and there's always the 17.3 million to consider that originally voted the other way. How would you honour their equally valid wishes?

A second referendum is the answer of course. You will undoubtedly argue that this would be 'undemocratic'. Yet there will be a general election before Christmas, less than two years since the last one when a parliament should run for a fixed five years. Is that 'undemocratic' as well?
If people and the balance have changed, then surely that should be reflected in a democratic way before such a serious and impossible to reverse action as brexit is taken. Nobody promised such a crap deal as we are likely to end up with, which will probably be a 'no deal'. Indeed some kind of Nirvana was promised by brexiters before the vote and we all now know that what they promised is and was pure fantasy.

 

[Cowabunga]

Can you expand on what this possible personal gain might be ?

Read my posts made in the last few hours again. You obviously do not absorb things very quickly. They want to crash out before the January imposition of new income disclosure rules where they currently are able to avoid tax and scrutiny of their financial affairs. Secondly many of these people are financiers in another life outside politics and will have bet heavily on the UK leaving the EU. If we don't they will lose millions [each probably]. The biggest hypocrites of all are financiers that have actually moved their businesses and majority of funds out of the UK to EU countries while being the most vocal advocates for Brexit in public.

 

[Post Driver]

I mean travel insurance is just the latest nonsense. You can't fly to the USA without it, why in the heck does it matter in Europe?

Really? I'm sure I have been to America more than once without travel insurance. Foolish yes, but mandatory I'm not so sure.

 

[David.]

Many will have had second thoughts by now and there's always the 17.3 million to consider that originally voted the other way. How would you honour their equally valid wishes?

A second referendum is the answer of course. You will undoubtedly argue that this would be 'undemocratic'. Yet there will be a general election before Christmas, less than two years since the last one when a parliament should run for a fixed five years. Is that 'undemocratic' as well?
If people and the balance have changed, then surely that should be reflected in a democratic way before such a serious and impossible to reverse action as brexit is taken. Nobody promised such a crap deal as we are likely to end up with, which will probably be a 'no deal'. Indeed some kind of Nirvana was promised by brexiters before the vote and we all now know that what they promised is and was pure fantasy.

What did they promise, it is all a long time ago?
Best I can remember, it looked bit like what no deal has come to mean... if out means out, and all that.

 

[Tarw Coch]

Many will have had second thoughts by now and there's always the 17.3 million to consider that originally voted the other way. How would you honour their equally valid wishes?

A second referendum is the answer of course. You will undoubtedly argue that this would be 'undemocratic'. Yet there will be a general election before Christmas, less than two years since the last one when a parliament should run for a fixed five years. Is that 'undemocratic' as well?
If people and the balance have changed, then surely that should be reflected in a democratic way before such a serious and impossible to reverse action as brexit is taken. Nobody promised such a crap deal as we are likely to end up with, which will probably be a 'no deal'. Indeed some kind of Nirvana was promised by brexiters before the vote and we all now know that what they promised is and was pure fantasy.

17.4 million leave, 17.3 million remain?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Boris has no intension of going through with a deal. All he wants is to get a vote through in Parliament to get around the Benn Act. If he gets it through a vote he will sit on his hands until after the exit deadline and bail us out with no deal.

He and other financiers such as Rees Mogg will have made a fortune by various means, including selling the Pound short, and he will hold an election before the real sh!t hits the fan, which will be before Christmas.

That is undoubtedly his plan and he is only interested if furthering himself and his power base. He has been proven to lie and cheat on everyone and everything in order to get his way and couldn't care less about the likes of you and me or any other ordinary business or working family. Most specifically he is selling the UK and future generations down the river for personal gain and you don't see it. My only consolation is that if he gets his way, you will soon reap the consequences like the rest of us.

Your like a Submarine lost in the Atlantic and run out of missiles . Remainers have lost their petty undemocratic war . Give in and live in peace

 

[Ukjay]

Its all a political game in order to get out of the EU before we are subject to new EU income disclosure laws in January and in order to line the pockets of the already ultra-wealthy, which includes Johnson, Rees Mogg, Farage and other rabid top Brexiters.

But who really gives a sh!t about their income

I know I personally do not as it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with me, you or anyone else. If it is illegal financial revenue - then let the laws sort it out.

Additionally - how many people do things for Cash in Hand, I would say there are a lot of people on this forum doing just that, so will we all become saints over night and start to declare all income streams, or are we simply being hypocritical when trying to push our own views and muddy the waters even further

 

[Muck Spreader]

I know his critics continually accuse him of such.
I am not aware of any evidence to support the idea therefore believe it is a concerted attempt to sling mud and you are the proof that it sticks.
Eddie 'night'Mair is a pretentious priick. That is the kind of pointed and pathetic question that no interviewer should be asking anybody.

It doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the fellow when his own family and work colleagues don't trust him.

 

[Hfd Cattle]

You may not find it so peculiar if it turns out to be accurate and he gets his way. I've not been wrong so far in the last two years. You haven't got too long to wait to see if he actually gets a deal or whether he uses the pretence of a deal to circumvent the Benn Act and dump us out with no deal. He is far cleverer than you or I.

Its all a political game in order to get out of the EU before we are subject to new EU income disclosure laws in January and in order to line the pockets of the already ultra-wealthy, which includes Johnson, Rees Mogg, Farage and other rabid top Brexiters.

It's not just brexiteers who are wealthy Corbyns is an extremely wealthy man but no-one ever mentions that !

 

[Danllan]

This isn’t a political thread and would rather it not become one...

How do you think it's gone by that measure?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Lets talk about the weather then

 

[rob1]

It matters in Europe because you don’t need it right now, as long as you have an EHIC. If we have a hard Brexit, anyone going there will have no health insurance unless they buy it.

Now, have you priced travel insurance recently for an 85 year old with a history of heart disease?

I certainly wouldnt rely on just the ehiic card travelling anywhere in europe

 

[Highland Mule]

I certainly wouldnt rely on just the ehiic card travelling anywhere in europe

For medical “insurance” it gives you the basics. Are you happy to rely on just the NHS in the UK? Best thing about EHIC is there’s no problem with pre-existing conditions, which can be very expensive to insure.

 

[rob1]

For medical “insurance” it gives you the basics. Are you happy to rely on just the NHS in the UK? Best thing about EHIC is there’s no problem with pre-existing conditions, which can be very expensive to insure.

I guess the easy answer is it depends, the NHS is superb for many things and rubbish for others, and I wouldnt want to rely on just basic cover from the EHIC card, and unless you are older with serious issues travel cover is cheap IMO, we have just had a quote for an eleven week trip to France early next year for £98 from my bank, that doesnt cover us skiing after the first 31 days but a private firm wil cover us both for the entire time for £310, my best mate who lives in Ireland pays well over £150 a month for their health cover, I dont think many Brits realise how cheap we get our health care

 

[Farmer1001]

Not sure if you got many on topic posts @lazy farmer - for what it's worth, we have applied to take a big % of cereal land out of production and into MT stewardship, if we get accepted then we have the choice to go for it or not, depending on the B situation and outlook. Average gross payment would be just over £550/hectare on the stewardship land.

 

[Henarar]

It's not just brexiteers who are wealthy Corbyns is an extremely wealthy man but no-one ever mentions that !

Is corbin a remainer today then as its Saturday ? its a job to keep up with him

 

[digger64]

Not sure if you got many on topic posts @lazy farmer - for what it's worth, we have applied to take a big % of cereal land out of production and into MT stewardship, if we get accepted then we have the choice to go for it or not, depending on the B situation and outlook. Average gross payment would be just over £550/hectare on the stewardship land.

To produce more beef and lamb that you say isn't going to be viable in the future and financed by a government that will have reduced tax income due the financial armageddon that you predict ? Is this wise ?

 

[Hfd Cattle]

Is corbin a remainer today then as its Saturday ? its a job to keep up with him

Who knows what he is !!!! The point being made really is he is an extremely wealthy man but it seems only the Tories get some stick for having money !

 

[digger64]

Read my posts made in the last few hours again. You obviously do not absorb things very quickly. They want to crash out before the January imposition of new income disclosure rules where they currently are able to avoid tax and scrutiny of their financial affairs. Secondly many of these people are financiers in another life outside politics and will have bet heavily on the UK leaving the EU. If we don't they will lose millions [each probably]. The biggest hypocrites of all are financiers that have actually moved their businesses and majority of funds out of the UK to EU countries while being the most vocal advocates for Brexit in public.

So are these new rules an implication of brexit ? Seems rather short term thinking , I think they are wiser than that , the people you are referring to would have longterm assets and mostly be made of old money yes they would speculate on current events etc , but would they base their political thinking on risking their family dynasty or asset base ?
surely if they wanted to avoid tax and scutiny of their financial affairs they would be remain focused as isn't that what the eu specialises in ?