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Some U Boats were re fuelled and serviced in Ireland during WW2. When Hitler died, Eamon De Valera signed a condolence book.https://www.irishtimes.com/news/de-valera-s-expression-of-sympathy-to-diplomat-condemned-1.17065
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Some U Boats were re fuelled and serviced in Ireland during WW2. When Hitler died, Eamon De Valera signed a condolence book.https://www.irishtimes.com/news/de-valera-s-expression-of-sympathy-to-diplomat-condemned-1.17065
SuperTwo
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Can you please provide a credible source for your claim that U boats refuelled in Ireland? To imply that Ireland helped the Nazi war effort is wrong...
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You can Bet plenty of NATO Naval Submarines are there waiting !
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All the evidence is under a 100 year embargo, so I can't prove that Ireland did or did not fuel U boats. There has always been strong rumours that some U boats did re fuel there. I notice that you are not denying what I said about De Valera.
I do know that many Irish citizens fought for the allies in both World Wars and I don't want to fall out with you chaps in Ireland. I hope we all remain friends on November 1st.
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Indeed De Valera did send his condolences to the German ambassador. Not something that I approve of...
In the intrest of balance it should be noted that Irish weather reports were passed onto the Allies and contributed to the planning of the D day landings.
https://www.rte.ie/culture/2019/052...her-forecast-played-a-critical-role-on-d-day/
gone
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Wow, you do talk a lot of twaddle, Ireland is well known for it's U Boat servicing centre, it is Co Offaly in the Bog of Allen so Brits would never find, we also had a few Oil rigs running full time in Monahan and a refinery in Westmeath to supply the U Boats, of coarse we do have to thank the Royal Navy for turning a blind eye for all those years.
Dev didn't sign a book of condolence, but to his and our shame the fool did send his condolences to Germany.
We also don't have a 100 year "embargo", State papers are released after 30 years.
It was hard for Irish People to join the British Army as it was only 20 years since the Black and Tans committed all sorts of war crimes around Ireland and only 2 years after the Economic War. I believe it was my Father's biggest regret that he did not sign up.
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Hindsight
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The UK probably should have left the tanker alone. From what I have read the relevant intelligence and request for action to detain The Grace came from the USA. The EU sanctions are against Syria and not Iran. The EU has no sanctions against Iran, it is the US with sanctions against Iran. And thus the UK impounded the tanker at behest of USA. One may ponder if Trump / Bolton are entrapping UK in the USA conflict with Iran, exploiting the UK divergence from EU. UK will have to get used to being Little Satan again.
I stand to be corrected on that understanding by those who know better than me.
But I just thought we should ponder details before the usual slating of EU.
Best wishes,
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Hindsight
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That is not my intention. I just want to ensure this thread is correct on which power implemented which sanctions against which country and who actioned these. As I said in my post I am only going on what I have read in various newspapers and thus am happy to be corrected. But my understanding is it was the US that requested the UK government to impound in Gibraltar the Iranian tanker.
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In fact, the UK was obliged to detain the ship... Under Article 35 of the EC Regulation imposing sanctions on Syria, i.e. EU Restrictive Measures in Syria; the application of the Regulation is defined in Article 35 of the Regulation. It applies:
- (a) within the territory of the Union, including its airspace;
- (b) on board any aircraft or any vessel under the jurisdiction of a Member State;
- (c) to any person inside or outside the territory of the Union who is a national of a Member State;
- (d) to any legal person, entity or body which is incorporated or constituted under the law of a Member State;
- (e) to any legal person, entity or body in respect of any business done in whole or in part within the Union.
https://ec.europa.eu/fpi/what-we-do/sanctions/eu-restrictive-measures-syria-–-faqs_en
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22425684
The Irish Government castigated their soldiers who had the audacity to fight for the allies in WW2. On return after the war, they were denied jobs and some even had their children taken into care.
Does the Irish Government still try to stop folk along the East Cost picking up British TV and radio?
The Irish Government castigated their soldiers who had the audacity to fight for the allies in WW2. On return after the war, they were denied jobs and some even had their children taken into care.
Does the Irish Government still try to stop folk along the East Cost picking up British TV and radio?
Hindsight
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In fact, the UK was obliged to detain the ship... Under Article 35 of the EC Regulation imposing sanctions on Syria, i.e. EU Restrictive Measures in Syria; the application of the Regulation is defined in Article 35 of the Regulation. It applies:
That's out of the EC's own mouth:
- (a) within the territory of the Union, including its airspace;
- (b) on board any aircraft or any vessel under the jurisdiction of a Member State;
- (c) to any person inside or outside the territory of the Union who is a national of a Member State;
- (d) to any legal person, entity or body which is incorporated or constituted under the law of a Member State;
- (e) to any legal person, entity or body in respect of any business done in whole or in part within the Union.
https://ec.europa.eu/fpi/what-we-do/sanctions/eu-restrictive-measures-syria-–-faqs_en
Knew someone would correct me. I will stick to the sports pages in future and not read other bits of newspapers.
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I'm surprised that a newspaper - assuming a decent one, left or right - would have published an inaccurate article; the redtops are all crap, but the broadsheets generally do the proper research and get legal advice before publishing anything.
I have loose connection with someone pretty senior in The Telegraph, and she has told me that she and all of her peers make it as certain as possible that what they publish is fact - it just isn't worth the damage to their reputations to risk doing otherwise.
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Danllan
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The sizing of the Iranian tanker by UK forces has nothing to do with Syria and everything to do with US pressure on the EU to abandon Obarma's nuclear deal with Tehran and take a more aggressive stance against the regime. The Trump has also issued veiled threats against other countries who are taking Iranian oil, notably India, China, Japan, South Korea, Italy and Turkey. The current evidence points to the White house first asking the Spanish government to enact the the EU policy on Syria, when this was declined they approached the government in Gibraltar who agreed, they then asked the RN for help to apprehend the tanker.
Hindsight
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Hi, I went back to the articles and read them again, and it was me at fault. The inaccuracy was with me.
I had conflated in my misreading of the two articles the sanctions imposed on Syria by EU and those imposed on Iran by USA, and the suggestion within those articles that as you pointed out the UK was obligated to impose the EU sanctions but was encouraged to do so by the USA.
Hence an inference in both articles why Mr Bolton expressed pleasure at the actions of the UK government, though it was indirectly actioned by the Gibaltarian Authorities. Now all of that is way above my intellect so at this point I doff my cap, withdraw and return to the topic of the day. Will Lowry continue his efforts at Portrush.
So, thank you for providing a correction. Best wishes.
PS - the only connection I have, however, loosely, with any of the newspapers is the lady in the village who delivers them!!
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Sher it was the Russians who did the fighting and the dying, the western allies turned up for tea n medals before stalin decided he’d fancy a French riviera holiday camp. After the Rn completed it’s primary task of bailing out the army when they bit off more than they could chew.
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What I don't understand about Westminster is we have 100's if not 1000's of people all full of bravado .. but have spent decades removing the stick AND inflitrating what stick we do have with those with a political agenda AGAINST the traditional role of the armed forces - Trump's latest "Racist" comment is exactly in this vain.
The UK government has simply got exactly what it has created.
Further than this I find the hypocrasy that we will have "Global Britain" post Brexit.
We won't and we cannot .. simply because the UK government has destroyed everything it touches. To even attempt to have "Global Britain" will mean a total destruction of what is left AND made to look a complete set of idiots by not having the power or resources to actually DO anything against our adversaries.
Until we have a united effort by the whole of the country pushing the UK forward .. rather than MORONS like Rory Stewart spending tax payers money on vanity projects .. this country will not succeed.
And by success I mean a good standard of living for most normal people and criminal elements surpressed.
The UK government has simply got exactly what it has created.
Further than this I find the hypocrasy that we will have "Global Britain" post Brexit.
We won't and we cannot .. simply because the UK government has destroyed everything it touches. To even attempt to have "Global Britain" will mean a total destruction of what is left AND made to look a complete set of idiots by not having the power or resources to actually DO anything against our adversaries.
Until we have a united effort by the whole of the country pushing the UK forward .. rather than MORONS like Rory Stewart spending tax payers money on vanity projects .. this country will not succeed.
And by success I mean a good standard of living for most normal people and criminal elements surpressed.
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