Have tried crossing bf on hol back and forth but i found after the first cross the animal was either a bf or holAnd last half as long.
British friesian bulls
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What. Profit?
dinderleat
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You will soon find out I suppose.
That’s not helping ??
I have been offered a british fresian bull for sale by Catlane Chad
this is Catlane Chad ICBF figures https://webapp.icbf.com/v2/app/bull-search/view/816093492
Why would anyone use him, I see his name popup here in this thread quite a bit.
A quick review shows he is well back in milk production. I currently have a relatively low yielding british fresian herd
I am looking for a british fresian bull with milk protein and butterfat. Anyone able to offer recommendations.
this is Catlane Chad ICBF figures https://webapp.icbf.com/v2/app/bull-search/view/816093492
Why would anyone use him, I see his name popup here in this thread quite a bit.
A quick review shows he is well back in milk production. I currently have a relatively low yielding british fresian herd
I am looking for a british fresian bull with milk protein and butterfat. Anyone able to offer recommendations.
organicguy
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Chad was a very popular bull over here but I never used him because his initial figures gave wide front teat placement which was a problem I nearly had from a bull 4 generations back. On reviewing the Irish figures he has wide fore teat, the UK figures now have him as positive on fore teat position, have we had a major base change?
must have a look at your comment above, was Chad a bull for milk when he was being marketed to you, as it appears from the irish figures he isn't great for milk.
The Irish base cows is as follows
Milk kg 5743
Fat kg 224
Prot kg 195
Fat % 3.9%
Protein% 3.3%
Have a look at mountains glenalbyn 7 (fr2430) or firoda randy 7 (fr2276) have used both a good bit very nice cows after both
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chad is a bull who has been used extensively, in both breeding of bulls, and for milking, and crops up continually in bull pedigrees, and I agree, his figures are not fantastic. The big problem with Friesians, is that quite a lot of holstien, has crept in, over the years, making it quite difficult to find a 'true' Friesian bull. Mind you, I used to help milk at the age of 10/11, and can remember some evil tempered, bottle titted, flappy bags, with a tit on each corner, whose aim in life, was to kick you. That was the view of a 10 yr old. But a lot of that was true, with low yields, the hols were a welcome cross, UK sires direct, are offering a son of Grove Brandy, who was born in 1959. I don't know what the best answer is, how we look at is, we decide what sort of cow you wish to breed, and choose what fits that description, and that's not easy to find.
Must have a look at those thank you v much, what you breeding with this year if you don’t mind me asking or are you going jersey
Why would anyone use him, I see
Theres alot worse breeds to use on a bf than a high yielding jersey one thing the jersey will bring to that cross is to suprise alot of people is milk excellent feet and udders from the jersey side
Holsteinfriesian90
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Inch brilliant.
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our 1st x jerseys are really good cows, good yield and constituents, it's the 2nd x and more, where things go a bit awry. And that has always been the problem, as seen by all the different 3 way x'es , recommended. We have a few jx hf, by a USA jersey bull, gaby's arrow, good cows, good milk figures, but look more like black hols. But this year, all 60 hfrs will be put to jersey, 1 AI, then jersey bulls. And, from this years fr calves, we have picked out, some good shaped calves, out of good cows, to keep as bulls, something i was always taught was the wrong thing to do !
I fully agree and have come to the conclusion for a seasonal grazing herd holstein no matter what fertility or low stature is a non compatabile breed with jersey british friesian or norwegian red are two sound breeds and add much needed strength to jersey am i too far wrong with going with a three way cross bf nr je as i have a small number of this cross calving down next year and the heifers look superb
On the cows am using sexed Jan 10 and conventional semen firoda jubilaris 22 and 11 , goonhilly james , piet adema (pzz) manorpark Google (kkg) fr2430 fr 2276 and on heifers ozg and some sexed beaufort kabana
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in general use, you cannot beat the je for imputing fat and proteins in to the mix, the conundrum, is what to put on the x , and then, everyone has a different idea ! But to keep volume up, hols. No one has come up with a 'proven' right answer, which means there probably isn't one, lets just keep on experimenting !
Surely 9000 litres jersey bulls can be the basis for milk in a cross and leave no need to use holstein from what i see holstein and jersey dont mix unless high input two great breeds but lack strength
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yes, and we have 2 young bulls with good figures, depends what you want to end up with, pure. 2x or 3x, or even more x Jersey calves either bull, or xed, with a few exceptions, are never going to be the most valuable of assets, its a trade off between replacement rate, fat and protiens yield and cull value, some times think the advice, jersey on a black cow, and fr on a brown cow, is probably about right !
the 550kg cow and I guess 550kg solids would be a long term goal