British friesian bulls

[Llmmm]

when we were fr, hardly ever picked a foot up, usually, stone or foul, as we got more and more holstien, I had to do a course, on foot trimming, there is a whole industry based on trimming cows feet, I think that answers many questions. Its quite interesting to look back through bull pedigrees, and proofs,.. and see the negative for feet, in some of the really famous bulls. The purists would say, pli gets updated etc, so not relevant, but, the bad feet continue, and perhaps increase, to be a serious problem, if they were bad 30/40 years ago, and still bad today, something isn't quite right. We used holstien, because they were 'better', and now we are looking back. Uncle, with his channel island herd, went from having the vet, to the odd lame cow, and progressing through, to all hols, having a trimmer in, every 2 weeks.

I firmly believe that people just accept lame cows they dont realise the cost of lameness.it is one of the real advantage of channel island cattle is there feet and not being lame.

 

[LTH]

A general question to all you pure british friesian breeders on feet problems with pure bf have started crossing bf and jersey and was just wondering do the bf get lame at all my pure jerseys about 1 percent per year while the few bf holsteins i have as they havev aged are allways lame

Quentin daughter due her 7th, never had a foot up, milky and gets in calf well. Not sure if you can still get him and from other posts seems to be live him or hate him but one of my favourites.

 

[Sid]

Quentin daughter due her 7th, never had a foot up, milky and gets in calf well. Not sure if you can still get him and from other posts seems to be live him or hate him but one of my favourites.

She doesn't have the "Quentin Cut"?

 

[LTH]

She doesn't have the "Quentin Cut"?

As in hair cut? Or?

 

[Sid]

As in hair cut? Or?

Yeah the haircut

 

[LTH]

Yeah the haircut

Oh right, ours are pretty varied that way

 

[lizness]

2 x Bradley

white one is a bradley

And two pax

 

[lizness]

And some younger ones

Holstein father out of a quentin, bryster and quache

More Bryster

Patrol and two Bryster

And the last Bryster who is the only one easy to tell apart! This is out of a big holstein type.

 

[som farmer]

2 x BradleyView attachment 883308View attachment 883309white one is a bradleyView attachment 883311View attachment 883310
And two pax

complete with fringe
our dutch x friesians, serving now, are really solid, very pleased with them, that's riverlino592, Bernard 26 and bas 8, but I wouldn't want to x them back to dutch, think they would be to compact. This years calves by sem 17, stand out among the rest.
However this year we are using 'pot luck', our flask needed changing, there were rather a lot of straws floating round ! best find so far, is braut (nr), used about 20 so far, bernard 26, as well, and some sex g arrow, jersey, plus some hols. It means, other than beef, we dont need to buy much dairy, only jer for hfrs

 

[Holsteinfriesian90]

Calves are looking good @lizness

 

[LTH]

complete with fringe
our dutch x friesians, serving now, are really solid, very pleased with them, that's riverlino592, Bernard 26 and bas 8, but I wouldn't want to x them back to dutch, think they would be to compact. This years calves by sem 17, stand out among the rest.
However this year we are using 'pot luck', our flask needed changing, there were rather a lot of straws floating round ! best find so far, is braut (nr), used about 20 so far, bernard 26, as well, and some sex g arrow, jersey, plus some hols. It means, other than beef, we dont need to buy much dairy, only jer for hfrs

Are they pure Holstein that you’re crossing with Dutch bulls?

 

[som farmer]

Are they pure Holstein that you’re crossing with Dutch bulls?

no, firmly in the mongrel grouping now, so xing on to anything, we do have some out of pure jersey, still strong. But if you want to add real strength to cows, those dutch bulls, certainly do that. But, as I said, not sure I would x again back to dutch fr. Ours look compact, and solid, and I would be concerned the next x would end up, to compact, or short and dumpy ! For us, we would like a good solid cow, that lasts, av 7500l, we will get there in 20/30 yrs time ! One of the biggest pluses for the dutch bulls, is longevity, some of those bulls, have + several hundred days ! Again, there are well proven bulls, i think they went down the constituent route yrs ago. Bulls can be found on 'cattle genie'

 

[Holsteinfriesian90]

no, firmly in the mongrel grouping now, so xing on to anything, we do have some out of pure jersey, still strong. But if you want to add real strength to cows, those dutch bulls, certainly do that. But, as I said, not sure I would x again back to dutch fr. Ours look compact, and solid, and I would be concerned the next x would end up, to compact, or short and dumpy ! For us, we would like a good solid cow, that lasts, av 7500l, we will get there in 20/30 yrs time ! One of the biggest pluses for the dutch bulls, is longevity, some of those bulls, have + several hundred days ! Again, there are well proven bulls, i think they went down the constituent route yrs ago. Bulls can be found on 'cattle genie'

Sexed or are they only available conventional?

 

[LTH]

no, firmly in the mongrel grouping now, so xing on to anything, we do have some out of pure jersey, still strong. But if you want to add real strength to cows, those dutch bulls, certainly do that. But, as I said, not sure I would x again back to dutch fr. Ours look compact, and solid, and I would be concerned the next x would end up, to compact, or short and dumpy ! For us, we would like a good solid cow, that lasts, av 7500l, we will get there in 20/30 yrs time ! One of the biggest pluses for the dutch bulls, is longevity, some of those bulls, have + several hundred days ! Again, there are well proven bulls, i think they went down the constituent route yrs ago. Bulls can be found on 'cattle genie'

Yea I’ve had a look at a couple emmie 2 is it? Looks a nice bull from the pictures of the Lakemead heifers by him, there’s a Bernard 26 son on U.K.sires Lakemead Zorro, no rocket, Pegasus or hykle in him either. He’s only a young bull yet though.

 

[som farmer]

Sexed or are they only available conventional?

some and some, like I posted earlier, using 'pot luck', mainly, braut, Bernard 26, (dutch fr) gabys arrow, jersey (some sexed) and odd holstiens, did look up the new proof, on one hol, meant to be 'great' when bought, wish I hadn't looked ! But Braut, certainly is a lucky 'find', delighted to be using him xbreeding, B26 good, and arrow, have some good milkers from him ! But, I wonder, how much semen is floating around in flasks, the cause, apparently, is the topping up of nitrogen, without putting a 'wadge' of cotton wool, on top of the straws already in there !!

 

[LTH]

Few Goonhilly Joseph heifers and a Skyhigh lord out of the Quentin cow I put on, full black feet as well.

 

[Stuart1]

no, firmly in the mongrel grouping now, so xing on to anything, we do have some out of pure jersey, still strong. But if you want to add real strength to cows, those dutch bulls, certainly do that. But, as I said, not sure I would x again back to dutch fr. Ours look compact, and solid, and I would be concerned the next x would end up, to compact, or short and dumpy ! For us, we would like a good solid cow, that lasts, av 7500l, we will get there in 20/30 yrs time ! One of the biggest pluses for the dutch bulls, is longevity, some of those bulls, have + several hundred days ! Again, there are well proven bulls, i think they went down the constituent route yrs ago. Bulls can be found on 'cattle genie'

I bought a few pedigree Dutch Holsteins a few years ago which have grew into complete barrels, short & dumpy like you say your Dutch Friesian are. This year tho I had a calf born out of one which was sired by Balisto, an American Holstein. The genomics first the calf came back at almost £600 PLI. Dutch cattle seem to be great stock but as you’ve already said they can be short & stumpy. I find the udders on them aren’t all that wonderful tho! What’s your Dutch Friesians udders like?

 

[som farmer]

I bought a few pedigree Dutch Holsteins a few years ago which have grew into complete barrels, short & dumpy like you say your Dutch Friesian are. This year tho I had a calf born out of one which was sired by Balisto, an American Holstein. The genomics first the calf came back at almost £600 PLI. Dutch cattle seem to be great stock but as you’ve already said they can be short & stumpy. I find the udders on them aren’t all that wonderful tho! What’s your Dutch Friesians udders like?

find out next spring, udders, are high on my list of priorities, I can remember some of the bad bagged, bottle titted bitches, from yesteryear ! Though to be fair, you only remember the bad ones ! This year, we are crossing cows, with Norwegian red bull Braut, who was famous a few years back, bit of luck really, needed a new semen tank, on tipping out, rather a lot of straws floating about ! used 26 braut, so far, some b26 (dutch fr) and gabys arrow, (usa jersey).
so cheap year for semen !

 

[Stuart1]

You’ve hit it lucky! How old was your last tank?

 

[som farmer]

think it was 2010, not replacing it, we use AI for 6 weeks or so, so our brilliant AI technician, mr Bealing ( he reads this on occasion ) keeping it in his, saving us the n top up fee.
While on semen, anyone know, if Arnica, was a normande, or flekvieh, or even something else !