British Medical Journal demands immediate release of all covid 19 vaccines treatments data.

bluegreen

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BMJ added that regulators are not there to “dance to the tune of rich global corporations and enrich them further” but to protect the general public’s health and for that reason, they said, we need “complete data transparency for all studies, we need it in the public interest, and we need it now.”


So two questions come to mind.
1. Why are Pfizer & Co so reluctant to give out data including whats in the vaccines and what are they obviously trying to hide?
2. And why are the British Medical Journal so desperate to find out, what are they privvy to that is causing them such alarm?
 

oval

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I think it was the bmj who brought the initial pressure to stop the swine flu vaccine roll out which damaged many
you can see that certain covid vaxes are banned in certain countrys especially for certain age groups so there is data showing up to say there are problems , the initial release I’ve seen of Pfizer data doesn’t show it in a good light or the way they conducted their trial
 

robs1

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I dont think any one can seriously believe that vaccines havent enabled the world to get through the pandemic with less loss of life, I'm sure some have had problems and may have even died from them but who is to say the virus wouldn't have killed those people anyway, something needed to be done and quickly
 

oval

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The governments own scientists who stood up in press conferences said 80% or more of the British public would have been only mildly effected by covid and were at no risk of death or serious illness so why the brutality about forcing this vax on everyone and costing people their jobs why are so many health workers against it there are many who have taken it against their will ,go and look back at the swine flu vax role out and why it was stopped and who tried to make it look like a pandemic which it wasn’t .
 

oval

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I dont think any one can seriously believe that vaccines havent enabled the world to get through the pandemic with less loss of life, I'm sure some have had problems and may have even died from them but who is to say the virus wouldn't have killed those people anyway, something needed to be done and quickly
some people will have been saved , some countries have had very small vax uptake some countries have used other medication , we are on jag 3 and heading to 4 because we are prepared and have the huge amount of money to throw at it while others can’t even in Israel their medical staff are saying to the government enough now we should only have jagged the vulnerable and those that wanted it and not be forcing it on everyone
 

czechmate

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I dont think any one can seriously believe that vaccines havent enabled the world to get through the pandemic with less loss of life, I'm sure some have had problems and may have even died from them but who is to say the virus wouldn't have killed those people anyway, something needed to be done and quickly

15% vaccinated on the continent of Africa 🤔
 

robs1

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some people will have been saved , some countries have had very small vax uptake some countries have used other medication , we are on jag 3 and heading to 4 because we are prepared and have the huge amount of money to throw at it while others can’t even in Israel their medical staff are saying to the government enough now we should only have jagged the vulnerable and those that wanted it and not be forcing it on everyone
I'm totally against compulsory jabs and not sure I want a fourth unless a more virulent mutation comes by
15% vaccinated on the continent of Africa 🤔
I expect they dont have a lot of the health issues we do in over weight and diabetes etc,
 

oval

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So we are back to telling the truth to the public about eating healthy and exercise but we haven’t they pretended everyone was at risk to force a jab which made some very wealthy , damage some people who don’t need the jab , scare the sh!t out of people who didn’t need to be scared and at the end of it wreck the economy , bring even more distrust of government and on top if it’s true we are looking at around 60,000 excess deaths that were not covid last year but were probably down to the restrictions implemented so how many have we saved and was it worth it
 

tepapa

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So we are back to telling the truth to the public about eating healthy and exercise but we haven’t they pretended everyone was at risk to force a jab which made some very wealthy , damage some people who don’t need the jab , scare the sh!t out of people who didn’t need to be scared and at the end of it wreck the economy , bring even more distrust of government and on top if it’s true we are looking at around 60,000 excess deaths that were not covid last year but were probably down to the restrictions implemented so how many have we saved and was it worth it
But People won't take responsibility for themselves. In the two years since covid arrived a lot of people in the obese category could have lost a considerable amount of weight which would help if they caught covid. A change to a healthier diet could help many on the borderline with diabetes, but I suspect nothing has changed. Easier to wait for a vaccine and force everyone else to have it to try and reduce the risk to themselves.
 

Lowland1

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But People won't take responsibility for themselves. In the two years since covid arrived a lot of people in the obese category could have lost a considerable amount of weight which would help if they caught covid. A change to a healthier diet could help many on the borderline with diabetes, but I suspect nothing has changed. Easier to wait for a vaccine and force everyone else to have it to try and reduce the risk to themselves.
Are you mental? Tell the general public that their own health is their responsibility. What kind of politician dare does that. In fact I’m surprised that a takeaway of ‘ your choice ‘ isn’t on offer to encourage people to get their booster jabs.
 
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Muck Spreader

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BMJ added that regulators are not there to “dance to the tune of rich global corporations and enrich them further” but to protect the general public’s health and for that reason, they said, we need “complete data transparency for all studies, we need it in the public interest, and we need it now.”


So two questions come to mind.
1. Why are Pfizer & Co so reluctant to give out data including whats in the vaccines and what are they obviously trying to hide?
2. And why are the British Medical Journal so desperate to find out, what are they privvy to that is causing them such alarm?
Pfizer are under no obligation to supply the raw data for their trials as the work was privately funded. The same cannot be said for the others like Moderna and Astra-Zeneca who received large amounts of public funding. That said, I suspect these data sets will be made available in due course to University researchers and the like. But while these folk are busy dealing with current and evolving data, setting time aside to clean up and annotate old data for third parties to make use of probably can't be seen as a priority.
 

oval

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But People won't take responsibility for themselves. In the two years since covid arrived a lot of people in the obese category could have lost a considerable amount of weight which would help if they caught covid. A change to a healthier diet could help many on the borderline with diabetes, but I suspect nothing has changed. Easier to wait for a vaccine and force everyone else to have it to try and reduce the risk to themselves.
In that case we can’t lock down fit healthy people to try and protect them the problem is the pretence has been all along we were all at great risk when we weren’t which is why the government could have their parties they knew where the real risk was . I think we will find lockdowns to be the biggest disaster of the scamdemic with the big possibility that more will die than have been saved because of it .
 

tepapa

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If there was a genuine risk to the public from covid, no government would sack all its health care professionals that refused to take the vaccine.

What a way to repay the NHS workforce who have undoubtedly worked incredibly hard over the last two years. At the beginning they were clapping in the street now they're handing out p45's.
 

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