British National Cancelled

[ploughman1963]

Yes pubs are open, but aleady 3 have had to shut because of track and trace only 3 days after opening, the major problem here is the majority of competitors are in the most vulnerable age group, and as one trustee of a ploughing society told me, if they held there match and somebody died from the virus he caught at there match could he be sued, not worth the risk.

There will come a point where in order to return to any form of normality, whatever that is, people will need to take responsibility for their own actions. If you feel the risk is too great - don’t go! Why would a match organiser be any more responsible for someone catching Covid atca match than going to Sainsbury’s to buy food on the way or putting diesel in the truck at the petrol station at Sainsbury’s?

 

[wuddy]

Happy shroud waving! I dont know about north of the border, but down here, pubs are much more restricted for space than ploughing match fields, so infection chances would be many times greater, and three pubs shut, out of how many?

Nobody is stopping you from organising as many matches as you want! I hope you get lots of helpers and hold some good matches! You’re very blinkered Harry and only see tractors going up and down the field giving no thought to the implications of organising such a large event! Drawing people from all corners of the UK for something that could be argued is unnecessary! I fear the general public could have seen it as farmers doing whatever they liked, and the relationship between farming and the general public is fragile enough. from a business point of view I would imagine the profit comes from trade stands and the public so good chance you would make a loss behind closed doors! what business would purposely run something to make a loss?? Just use the time to sort your plough out Harry and when the matches start up again you will be at the top of your game with no excuses!!

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

And @Ley253 had it right that most of the reasons to not do it will still be there next year - how long will you advocate “do nothing until the virus is gone?”

I hear what your saying, and if there is a match on I may enter and decide the day before if it safeish to go, if I don't go I lost my entry fee,
If the match cancels last min, they have gone through a lot of work, and have to return entry fees, yet still stuff to pay for , work to do for no avail,

Did you know the Welsh national has cancelled this afternoon ?

There is a restriction on travel just over the border in South Scotland, due to a spike in covid19, and this could happen anywhere, at any time,
As regards ley253 having it right, take the pub, or car boot for example, would you be happy to travel 300 mile to the only pub open on that weekend, to find its shut, or they won't let you in due to where your from,

Let's agree to disagree

 

[ploughman61]

I hear what your saying, and if there is a match on I may enter and decide the day before if it safeish to go, if I don't go I lost my entry fee,
If the match cancels last min, they have gone through a lot of work, and have to return entry fees, yet still stuff to pay for , work to do for no avail,

Did you know the Welch national has cancelled this afternoon ?

There is a restriction on travel just over the border in South Scotland, due to a spike in covid19, and this could happen anywhere, at any time,
As regards ley253 having it right, take the pub, or car boot for example, would you be happy to travel 300 mile to the only pub open on that weekend, to find its shut, or they won't let you in due to where your from,

Let's agree to disagree

Is that Rachell welch

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

Is that Rachell welch

Bloody spell checker,
She would be in the at risk group, at risk of what I not sure

 

[Ley253]

Nobody is stopping you from organising as many matches as you want! I hope you get lots of helpers and hold some good matches! You’re very blinkered Harry and only see tractors going up and down the field giving no thought to the implications of organising such a large event! Drawing people from all corners of the UK for something that could be argued is unnecessary! I fear the general public could have seen it as farmers doing whatever they liked, and the relationship between farming and the general public is fragile enough. from a business point of view I would imagine the profit comes from trade stands and the public so good chance you would make a loss behind closed doors! what business would purposely run something to make a loss?? Just use the time to sort your plough out Harry and when the matches start up again you will be at the top of your game with no excuses!!

I do see the tractors going up and down! Why? Because its all that has to happen! The SOP admit as much when they say they plan to runs a qualifier, whats the difference? Football, cricket, F 1 all are running, behind closed doors, and they are much more spectator financed than ploughing, car boot sales also, where is the importance in any of those? Blinkered? The same could be said for you, your not looking for ways to run, only run away, and your faith in the mirage that all will be fine next year, chances are it will be the same, I cant find a listing of any virus which has been eradicated, world wide, only protected against by vaccination, and that does not take on everyone.
The plough is done, not that its likely to get used now. I have another to do, that I will finish also, but if either ever get used, I will be surprised, owners are not " this, or even last years models", and are asking themselves. why bother?

 

[arcobob]

I do see the tractors going up and down! Why? Because its all that has to happen! The SOP admit as much when they say they plan to runs a qualifier, whats the difference? Football, cricket, F 1 all are running, behind closed doors, and they are much more spectator financed than ploughing, car boot sales also, where is the importance in any of those? Blinkered? The same could be said for you, your not looking for ways to run, only run away, and your faith in the mirage that all will be fine next year, chances are it will be the same, I cant find a listing of any virus which has been eradicated, world wide, only protected against by vaccination, and that does not take on everyone.
The plough is done, not that its likely to get used now. I have another to do, that I will finish also, but if either ever get used, I will be surprised, owners are not " this, or even last years models", and are asking themselves. why bother?

Football and cricket are spectator sports that attract media attention and television advertising. Ploughing does not. Running the nationals is possible but public access would be difficult, sponsors and trade stands would not be paying to support and more significantly it would be a big drain on SOP funds. Many older and more vulnerable participants and helpers would not turn up and the organisation would be a nightmare. Whatever David Chappell said it sounds by all accounts that he had not thought it through or somebodies, probably within the family, have put the block on him.

 

[ploughman61]

All footballers and cricketers are being tested every week, so would you be happy to have a test before you go to a match, the test is not very pleasant to have done. World snooker is going ahead, but several top players have withdrawn don't want to risk it, whoever dose win it will be a hollow victory, think the same would happen if the national took place.

 

[arcobob]

All footballers and cricketers are being tested every week, so would you be happy to have a test before you go to a match, the test is not very pleasant to have done. World snooker is going ahead, but several top players have withdrawn don't want to risk it, whoever dose win it will be a hollow victory, think the same would happen if the national took place.

If you only consider the lack of safety aspect the pub opening is a massive no-no but economics have taken precedence. Ploughing is far less of a threat to personal safety but there is little economic justification. It is difficult to make comparisons with other activities and I see no problems with local matches and qualifiers but the Nationals is a whole different ball game. The problem is if qualifiers are not held how do they run the 2021 Nationals?

 

[Mydexta]

If you only consider the lack of safety aspect the pub opening is a massive no-no but economics have taken precedence. Ploughing is far less of a threat to personal safety but there is little economic justification. It is difficult to make comparisons with other activities and I see no problems with local matches and qualifiers but the Nationals is a whole different ball game. The problem is if qualifiers are not held how do they run the 2021 Nationals?

if the qualifiers don’t go ahead, then anyone who qualified to plough in 2020, should then be forwarded to the 2021 match

 

[Ley253]

Football and cricket are spectator sports that attract media attention and television advertising. Ploughing does not. Running the nationals is possible but public access would be difficult, sponsors and trade stands would not be paying to support and more significantly it would be a big drain on SOP funds. Many older and more vulnerable participants and helpers would not turn up and the organisation would be a nightmare. Whatever David Chappell said it sounds by all accounts that he had not thought it through or somebodies, probably within the family, have put the block on him.

Cutting the coat according to the cloth would reduce the workload to manageable proportions, IE Ploughing match, not area show.They have done this before, and are hoping to do it again. David also know how to run a match, he has had his own, Lindholme for many years.

 

[arcobob]

Cutting the coat according to the cloth would reduce the workload to manageable proportions, IE Ploughing match, not area show.They have done this before, and are hoping to do it again. David also know how to run a match, he has had his own, Lindholme for many years.

In the past few years as the land has been more difficult to find and help has dwindled downsizing has been mentioned and rejected. Draw your own conclusions why. I know that the present situation is unprecedented but the support for the status quo remains and there may be strong fears that to downsize may become the accepted norm with obvious consequences.

 

[arcobob]

if the qualifiers don’t go ahead, then anyone who qualified to plough in 2020, should then be forwarded to the 2021 match

If they are still active or even alive. It would also place in limbo the younger and up and coming hopefuls who could drift away with no hope of a National chance until 2022.

 

[MrNoo]

My main concern is that all of these "lesser" matches, the real backbone of the Country's ploughing will all follow suit, I note SOP have not issued any guidelines/template for matches, even a loose framework to work from, which I think is poor really. Instead leaving it to each match or society to formulate their own rules/regs if they are planning a match.
I hope that we all mange to get some ploughing in somehow this Autumn.
Is the Scottish still going ahead? I see the Welsh was pulled the other evening too, seems most Hereford matches have been pulled also.

 

[uztrac]

D C had it right, they even admit it by saying the intend to run a qualifier later, perhaps next year! Things will be much the same then, this virus is here for ever, will have to be lived with. Strange how the local car boot sale is opening in August, but we cant have ploughing matches. Ah well subscription will be cancelled, no need to be a SOP member, nothing to go to!

Yes very odd situation.Our local car boot/s have been open and busy for a few weeks now.

 

[uztrac]

Our NORMAC demo day scheduled for 16th September 2020 is still on the cards. Well worth a visit and entry is free.

 

[Mydexta]

My main concern is that all of these "lesser" matches, the real backbone of the Country's ploughing will all follow suit, I note SOP have not issued any guidelines/template for matches, even a loose framework to work from, which I think is poor really. Instead leaving it to each match or society to formulate their own rules/regs if they are planning a match.
I hope that we all mange to get some ploughing in somehow this Autumn.
Is the Scottish still going ahead? I see the Welsh was pulled the other evening too, seems most Hereford matches have been pulled also.

Scottish executive committee are holding a virtual meeting online towards the end of July to decide amongst themselves if the championships are going ahead or not.

 

[Roy Stokes]

My main concern is that all of these "lesser" matches, the real backbone of the Country's ploughing will all follow suit, I note SOP have not issued any guidelines/template for matches, even a loose framework to work from, which I think is poor really. Instead leaving it to each match or society to formulate their own rules/regs if they are planning a match.
I hope that we all mange to get some ploughing in somehow this Autumn.
Is the Scottish still going ahead? I see the Welsh was pulled the other evening too, seems most Hereford matches have been pulled also.

Right at this moment Tern Valley Vintage Ploughing are still planning to go ahead,
I've suggested to the senior management that when the entry form is signed that the competitor agrees that they have attended of their own free will and there will be no responsibility on the part of the organizing committee for any Covid related or other loss or injury, also facilities may not be available to the usual standards
this way the competitor can make their own mind up if they want to risk attending or stay at home
If it goes ahead it could be a very big match, it normally attracts 80-110 competitors

 

[bactosoil]

Without being alarmist a number of events around here have not only cancelled due to liability issues(disclaimers or no disclaimers) but also because of the worry of further lockdowns , also they dont want to adopt a stop start approach to their events ,hence the decision to cancel entirely for this year .The reasons mentioned are why we have offered up a virtual ploughing match , it not ideal or perfect ,but it does mean everyone has a reason to get out their plough or maybe a small group can get together ploughing and competing . 100% of entry fees will go to the air ambulances and that cannot be a bad thing in it own right .

 

[Devon James]

It's our 75th this year. Really want to go ahead with it. Maybe no produce entries which may make it not such a celebration that it could have been. But if we do go ahead please come on down!