Broadcast and harrow help...

[Simon Chiles]

Pretty much guaranteed.

That said, this is also a kind of reverse mechanical rain dance. If I dont do it we'll never drill. If I do do it, you can all thank me for next week's perfect conditions!

It sounds as though you’d better get on with it quick and take one for the team!

 

[yellowbelly]

I'm afraid I disagree with most of the above. If your land is pressed leave it, the seed will fall nicely into the ring marks. Then cover with the kubota and harrows on a whipple tree. Years ago harrows like that were pulled with grey fergis leaving few wheel marks. Presumably any marks you leave with your fert spreader tractor will be in the tramlines you will use all year anyway so crack on.

You're right - not much difference between 'oat seed furrow' ploughing and modern pressed land

 

[Still Farming]

Plenty of good W W grown here by Fertilizer disc spread broadcast in then turbo tiller or zig zag pressure harrow in.

 

[robbie]

I'm afraid I disagree with most of the above. If your land is pressed leave it, the seed will fall nicely into the ring marks. Then cover with the kubota and harrows on a whipple tree. Years ago harrows like that were pulled with grey fergis leaving few wheel marks. Presumably any marks you leave with your fert spreader tractor will be in the tramlines you will use all year anyway so crack on.

You're right - not much difference between 'oat seed furrow' ploughing and modern pressed land
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Exactly what I was thinking when I read this thread modern day oat cast work with the press and harrow in, drag harrows are a very underrated tool.

 

[Wigeon]

Drag narrows as in zig zags, or chain? Thanks

 

[Bury the Trash]

For me at least i dont refer to chain harrows as drags, they're just chain harrows

We have always called zig zag harrows.... drags . Like parmiter ones .

"A set of drags"

 

[Flat 10]

Drag narrows as in zig zags, or chain? Thanks

Zig zags for definite. We had several sets, seed (lightest for behind drill) medium and heavy.

 

[bobk]

Only problem with zig zags is they drag all the stones up

 

[Bury the Trash]

Zig zags for definite. We had several sets, seed (lightest for behind drill) medium and heavy.

Yeah, lightweight sets we used to just call 'seed harrows' or actually ' harra's ' is what it sounded like

 

[Clive]

Not got the seed fiddle out yet, but not far off...

Anyway, can anyone tell me about how th old boys used to do it? This is onto worked heavy ground that's had a press.

Assuming they had access to a wagtail, what would they have covered the seed with?

Prime mover will be 36hp kubota on duals probably.

Seems like the options are:

Zig zag harrows on whipple tree. Presumably these bounce all over the shop at any speed, particularly in pressed ground. Also a royal pita.

Grass harrows. Struggle to move enough soil?

Chain harrows: dont know anything about them.

Lightweight spring tine. Risks cutting slots, tractor might not pull it.

Any tips from the experts would be hugely appreciated!

Yours in slight desperation...

a wide triple K is a good tool for this in worked soils

we “drilled “ a lot that way back in 2000

 

[Tha Ulsterscot]

Did 100's of acres with awag tail and 16 foot zig zags , with varying results ... 36 hoss won't pull a set of ziggers .

4 wd 36 hp. on duals should have no problem with a set of harrows, unless they're a helluva wide set.

 

[Longneck]

Trouble with a triple k type thing is it will leave it quite fluffy and with not much prospect of rolling I’m beginning to go off the idea.
Slugs will have a field day!!

 

[yellowbelly]

Yeah, lightweight sets we used to just call 'seed harrows' or actually ' harra's ' is what it sounded like

Three sets of 'arras here.........

Duck foot 'arras (heavy with a 'foot' at the bottom)......

Chisel 'arras (medium weight, straight teeth)......

Seed 'arras (lightweight, straight teeth)........

We used to take 'em to the blacksmith's every now and again to get the teeth 're-laid'.

 

[bobk]

Three sets of 'arras here.........

Duck foot 'arras (heavy with a 'foot' at the bottom)......
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Chisel 'arras (medium weight, straight teeth)......
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Seed 'arras (lightweight, straight teeth)........
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We used to take 'em to the blacksmith's every now and again to get the teeth 're-laid'.

Better blunt for arraing wheat

 

[robbie]

Also another very good use for harr'ers is to accidentally leave them upside down In a gateway or track to stop people who shouldn't be there driving about or atleast they dont drive far after theyve been over the harr'ers.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Three sets of 'arras here.........

Duck foot 'arras (heavy with a 'foot' at the bottom)......
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Chisel 'arras (medium weight, straight teeth)......
View attachment 914057

Seed 'arras (lightweight, straight teeth)........
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We used to take 'em to the blacksmith's every now and again to get the teeth 're-laid'.

Yep , local blacksmith used to relie ours when they got worn down. , stones and stuff used to pass through much better then instead of blocking up and having to get off and sometimes lift the section to clear.

I used to use a longer chain than the others as I used to drive faster and ir it helped keep them in work better further back " wild young bugger" they would say ,

Happy days they were....

 

[Bury the Trash]

Also another very good use for harr'ers is to accidentally leave them upside down In a gateway or track to stop people who shouldn't be there driving about or atleast they dont drive far after theyve been over the harr'ers.

Yep Done that , forgot where they were then drove over when hedgetrimming fudged front tyre outcome
Was only 2wd though , slightly better than....

 

[Bury the Trash]

Better blunt for arraing wheat

Arrin een wheat ? ie harrowing in ?...
One of the first things we were told at day release was that when they were worn rounded in use they consolidated rather than cultivated .... boy how times have changed . Would be all about isobuses now I guess...whatever they are....


I digress.

 

[yellowbelly]

Would be all about isobuses now I guess...whatever they are....

 

[Deranged peasant]

Spun on and spring tined in a load last season (January), bit patchy but acceptable yield. Any wheelings are the problem imo.