We had similar few years ago but we didn’t test straight away so we were bit further down the line before noticing bull not working . Got him tested and was infertile . We got in touch with guy who was auctioneer on the sale day . He was very good and sorted everything for us as they should . Basically bull got hung up and then market paid us the difference then they would likely pursue the seller for cost back
Bull warranty.. Or not.
- Thread starter Estuarybeef
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I thought I was the only saddo to Google that. Easy enough to find the OPs name and address too.
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- Fife
I didn’t bother looking for the OP in fairness.
Not picking on you as such, but if the vendor was "110%" as claimed no one would be on here posting his Bull report, so what if we all know who everybody is. There will only be one end to this episode & we all on here should hope that @Estuarybeef has the tenacity & sheer determination & time that this will take, as for the auctioneers doing anything..............
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- Cumbria
Putting a new bull with six cows or a percentage of the herd to see if he settles them is how they determine fertility for the NBA breeding warranty. It’s really nothing to do with the society. Personally, I always ensure a new bull is insured for fertility before use either by the vendor if he is willing or by myself. But for £3200 I wouldn’t bother, he will be worth £2000 fat, just cash him, take it on the chin and don’t
Buy another bull from him. If I had sold that bull, I would be asking for it back quick before it’s shagged itself into a hat rack and giving you your money back or choice of another bull.
That said, given you bought four bulls at one sale, the BCCS should be taking you seriously, have you spoke to them, maybe they could mediate a resolution?
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- somerset
society sale ? Must have been warranted right for stock, no problem, take/send it back, if chap won't refund, take him to court. Very extreme that, but society should not hesitate to make the refund, if they wont, it would be an idication of how little they care.
We fertility test our bulls before use, every year, all fine, but, running with our dairy, to 'mop up', he went from good, to very occasional. We actually had a ped hereford, with 1 ball, owners were horrified they had missed it, anyway offered it at killing price, took the chance, in the 3 years we had him, topped the sperm count every year, sold him as oldest, kept matey above
We fertility test our bulls before use, every year, all fine, but, running with our dairy, to 'mop up', he went from good, to very occasional. We actually had a ped hereford, with 1 ball, owners were horrified they had missed it, anyway offered it at killing price, took the chance, in the 3 years we had him, topped the sperm count every year, sold him as oldest, kept matey above
bull needs to be fit for work, i wouldnt put the bull with 6 cows if your certain he is infertile, the bull warranty is either 6 calves or a certain percentage of the cows hes running with, if you have had a semen test done wait a few weeks and have another done so its time for any infection to clear up and you can then say you are being reasonable, .. having being on both sides of the fence in this situation its how you deal with the problem that makes the difference, if the bulls a jaffa then its a refund especially in such a short time period, you have a limited time to make a claim against fertility so by getting on to them straight away youve got the ball rolling,
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- Montgomeryshire
society sale ? Must have been warranted right for stock, no problem, take/send it back, if chap won't refund, take him to court. Very extreme that, but society should not hesitate to make the refund, if they wont, it would be an idication of how little they care.
We fertility test our bulls before use, every year, all fine, but, running with our dairy, to 'mop up', he went from good, to very occasional. We actually had a ped hereford, with 1 ball, owners were horrified they had missed it, anyway offered it at killing price, took the chance, in the 3 years we had him, topped the sperm count every year, sold him as oldest, kept matey above
There’s no reason the semen from Mr One Bollock shouldn’t be perfect, there’s just a bit less volume, effecting his serving capacity.
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- somerset
ped bull, society sale, failed fertility test, not fit to work, end of. Why should the purchaser have to faff about, infertile, plus infection -pus. What's not clear about that, he is not fit for work, refund due, really can't understand all the posts about waiting, trying him with 6 cows, rubbish, seller could ask for another test, to prove yes/no, that's about it.
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- somerset
served us very well, took a chance, fert tested him, no problem, only sold him as oldest, and getting rather large. Paid £500 for him, 3 seasons excellent work, culled at £1100.
But, a chance he might have been wrong, test proved otherwise, plus no warranty.
the first thing they are gonna ask is was electro ejaculation used . thats get out number one that method can cause the semen to be tainted with urine . if you play the game for long enough you learn the rules of the game and how to get the result you want, so by going that extra mile you can leave yourself more than covered, we should also remember that a semen test is only good on the day it is done, we have been on the other end of this stick with an expensive bull the claim was he was infertile the purchaser was refunded straight away , however this purchaser ended up getting caught out after he registered quite a few calves from the bull and the money came back... sometimes its not as clear cut as people make out, im not suggesting this is the case here just showing the other side of the stick
Wouldn’t want a bull like that for breeding sucklers though
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- somerset
Estuarybeef
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- Kent
No we breed suckler heifers so wouldn’t want to pass something like that on, but if all calves are beefers then no problem.
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- Cumbria
Because not all purchasers are innocent, some are right strokers trying it on, been there too. Needs to be fair for both purchaser and vendor and the bull needs chance to settle. Electro ejaculators are a hit and miss affair.
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- Scottish Highlands
Not cattle but I exported a pup to New Zealand. A year later the purchasers complained that he had retained testicles, not down by 12 months, so couldn't be registered with the NZ Kennel Club and wanted their money back.
I phoned the NZKC and was told the time limit was not 12 months but 24 months so refused the refund until the time limit had expired. In the meantime, the dog's testicles descended, he was run in rials, and became a champion. The buyers were so pleased with him they came back to me for another pup. I refused to sell to them explaining that was because they had lied to me. Hopefully they learnt from it.
Purchasers do occasionally try to pull a fast one like the lady who claimed a dog from me had a fractured vertebra and couldn't serve bitches (yet was apparently an excellent hunting dog!). I said I would send a replacement but before I did that I needed the return of the pedigree, transfers, etc. Strangely, the dog made a remarkable recovery! I think anyone selling a working dog with a guarantee is at least unwise as it is so easy to ruin a dog through ill treatment. There is no shortage of bad stockmen, nor fraudsters come to that. Get it in writing!
I don’t think electro ejaculators cause Soft testes and pus in the sample though