Business challenges post Brexit.

[Old McDonald]

I assumed you had heard of the legend that is Doris Day

Obviousy, and a lovely lady, but that song has nothing to do with whether or not you have any information about the French attitude towards people in your position after Brexit. A simple No or Non if you prefer, would have made sense. You could then have qualified the simple answer if you wished.

 

[czechmate]

Obviousy, and a lovely lady, but that song has nothing to do with whether or not you have any information about the French attitude towards people in your position after Brexit. A simple No or Non if you prefer, would have made sense. You could then have qualified the simple answer if you wished.

You ask the question repeatedly, presumably to stir up some unrest.
So, of course no one knows as yet anything, so I take the que sera, sera approach.

If you prefer...


Non.

When will you next ask the same question?

 

[Old McDonald]

I think you are mistaken about me asking the question repeatedly. I asked a genuine question for the first time - have you had any info locally about what might be offered post Brexit? Muck Spreader's post #80 was the sort of sensible answer for which I was looking. How can the question I asked stir up unrest?

I have complained on here that the UK had made what I considered to be a good offer to EU residents in the UK, and that the EU had not made any similar reciprocal offer.

Obviously there will have been discussions within the EU, and knowing how politicians like to be the first with the news, anticipated that someone might have leaked some information to one or more UK citizens resident in other parts of the EU.

 

[FlyBy]

I have complained on here that the UK had made what I considered to be a good offer to EU residents in the UK, and that the EU had not made any similar reciprocal offer.

Hi there. You must have missed the EU offer that all UK citizens in the EU at the time of the seperation would have their exist rights protected for life, including the right to move within EU countries and not be tied to their current country of residence.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...y-match-eu-offer-free-movement-britons-europe

It's understandable that you may have missed this, as May appears to have completely ignored it, before releasing her own much weaker proposal.

 

[will l]

Hi there. You must have missed the EU offer that all UK citizens in the EU at the time of the seperation would have their exist rights protected for life, including the right to move within EU countries and not be tied to their current country of residence.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...y-match-eu-offer-free-movement-britons-europe

It's understandable that you may have missed this, as May appears to have completely ignored it, before releasing her own much weaker proposal.

Ive heard of that offer from the EU it is offered on condition the UK gives the same back but it must be the ECJ that rules on disputes and that is a problem for the UK, For us who live in the EU it is a good deal and the EU will go ahead with it anyway,

 

[bobk]

Hi there. You must have missed the EU offer that all UK citizens in the EU at the time of the seperation would have their exist rights protected for life, including the right to move within EU countries and not be tied to their current country of residence.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...y-match-eu-offer-free-movement-britons-europe

It's understandable that you may have missed this, as May appears to have completely ignored it, before releasing her own much weaker proposal.

Probably because uk expats aren't claiming the dole in the eu ......

 

[czechmate]

Probably because uk expats aren't claiming the dole in the eu ......

I know plenty of EU citizens in the uk working (yes, even legally) I don't know any claiming the dole. What percentage is your know experience then?

 

[bobk]

I know plenty of EU citizens in the uk working (yes, even legally) I don't know any claiming the dole. What percentage is your know experience then?

Correct , but they're entitled to tax credits and family benefits which can / do get sent back home

 

[czechmate]

Correct , but they're entitled to tax credits and family benefits which can / do get sent back home

Most ex pats on here claim "the pak"

 

[bobk]

Most ex oats on here claim "the pak"

Because they need it .

 

[czechmate]

Because they need it .

Bit like low paid workers then. Be they born in Stafford or Strasbourg

 

[Old McDonald]

Hi there. You must have missed the EU offer that all UK citizens in the EU at the time of the seperation would have their exist rights protected for life, including the right to move within EU countries and not be tied to their current country of residence.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...y-match-eu-offer-free-movement-britons-europe

It's understandable that you may have missed this, as May appears to have completely ignored it, before releasing her own much weaker proposal.

As already posted, it was not as straightforward as The Guardian purported it to be. The EU has not made as generous an offer to those British citizens living in the EU as the UK government has made to EU citizens living in the UK.

The ECJ must have no jurisdiction in the UK afer Brexit, otherwise the EU is continuing to interfere. The ECJ has no jurisdiction in other countries of the world where EU nationals live. Why should the UK be subjected to it?

 

[FlyBy]

As already posted, it was not as straightforward as The Guardian purported it to be. The EU has not made as generous an offer to those British citizens living in the EU as the UK government has made to EU citizens living in the UK.

The ECJ must have no jurisdiction in the UK afer Brexit, otherwise the EU is continuing to interfere. The ECJ has no jurisdiction in other countries of the world where EU nationals live. Why should the UK be subjected to it?

The ECJ issue does not effect the generosity of the offer. The offer was for complete rights to continue for life. In what way was the limited UK offer comparable to that?

 

[Old McDonald]

@FlyBy My apologies.

I logged on now to correct my post. I had a note on my desk in connection with something I was going to post elsewhere and added a couple of things from the link you gave. I then mixed up the notes. this made the content of my post irrelevant. I realised my error as I was going to bed.

Again my apologies for making a nonsense post. I will sort things out later in the day.

 

[FlyBy]

@FlyBy My apologies.

I logged on now to correct my post. I had a note on my desk in connection with something I was going to post elsewhere and added a couple of things from the link you gave. I then mixed up the notes. this made the content of my post irrelevant. I realised my error as I was going to bed.

Again my apologies for making a nonsense post. I will sort things out later in the day.

That's quite alright, I know how easy it is to do when you're busy.

 

[Old McDonald]

Hi there. You must have missed the EU offer that all UK citizens in the EU at the time of the seperation would have their exist rights protected for life, including the right to move within EU countries and not be tied to their current country of residence.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...y-match-eu-offer-free-movement-britons-europe

It's understandable that you may have missed this, as May appears to have completely ignored it, before releasing her own much weaker proposal.

I will try to make a better job of my resposne this time. I had not seen this before, and neither, it seems had any other ex-pat who posts on this forum because I posed the very question in another thread whether anybody had heard anything about a reciprocal EU offer. Nobody had, czechmate going so far as to use the phrase "que sera, sera". I note an above post saying otherwise.

I have done a quick search, not spent a lot of time on it, but cannot find any other reference to the "offer" mentioned in your link. Frankly, I doubt the authenticity of the story unless you can provide a few other (not Guardian connected) links where other news sources quoted the offer. I am sceptical of the Guardian at the best of times - only over the last 50 odd years so not always, nd it seems amazing that such an important matter has not been widely reported in mainstream EU publications ans seen by ex-pat posters on this forum.

Please prove me wrong. As also previously posted, I care not what the EU might or might not offer, but I know many other people who are quite desperate to find out and tell me they have no idea of any offer they might receive. Some simply do not want to return to the UK.

 

[le bon paysan]

Most ex pats on here claim "the pak"

The PAC is a legitimate part of the Farm income. A proportion of which is linked in headage payments. To not claim it would devalue the Farm
Incorrect to link it to social welfare, which a fair number of Brits like P and O brickies, plumbers and builders get.
I claim child benefit, so does every other qualifying parent I know, whatever their nationality,

 

[le bon paysan]

Probably because uk expats aren't claiming the dole in the eu ......

Really!
And some of them are on the black.
You should get out more, when your next over.

 

[Muck Spreader]

I will try to make a better job of my resposne this time. I had not seen this before, and neither, it seems had any other ex-pat who posts on this forum because I posed the very question in another thread whether anybody had heard anything about a reciprocal EU offer. Nobody had, czechmate going so far as to use the phrase "que sera, sera". I note an above post saying otherwise.

I have done a quick search, not spent a lot of time on it, but cannot find any other reference to the "offer" mentioned in your link. Frankly, I doubt the authenticity of the story unless you can provide a few other (not Guardian connected) links where other news sources quoted the offer. I am sceptical of the Guardian at the best of times - only over the last 50 odd years so not always, nd it seems amazing that such an important matter has not been widely reported in mainstream EU publications ans seen by ex-pat posters on this forum.

Please prove me wrong. As also previously posted, I care not what the EU might or might not offer, but I know many other people who are quite desperate to find out and tell me they have no idea of any offer they might receive. Some simply do not want to return to the UK.

This table shows the current areas of agreement and disagreement between the two sides as of 19/7/17:-
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...on_of_EU-UK_positions_on_citizens__rights.pdf

 

[FlyBy]

I will try to make a better job of my resposne this time. I had not seen this before, and neither, it seems had any other ex-pat who posts on this forum because I posed the very question in another thread whether anybody had heard anything about a reciprocal EU offer. Nobody had, czechmate going so far as to use the phrase "que sera, sera". I note an above post saying otherwise.

I have done a quick search, not spent a lot of time on it, but cannot find any other reference to the "offer" mentioned in your link. Frankly, I doubt the authenticity of the story unless you can provide a few other (not Guardian connected) links where other news sources quoted the offer. I am sceptical of the Guardian at the best of times - only over the last 50 odd years so not always, nd it seems amazing that such an important matter has not been widely reported in mainstream EU publications ans seen by ex-pat posters on this forum.

Please prove me wrong. As also previously posted, I care not what the EU might or might not offer, but I know many other people who are quite desperate to find out and tell me they have no idea of any offer they might receive. Some simply do not want to return to the UK.

Hi, it's tricky to seperate it from a Guardian link, as the MEPs and other European political leaders were writing an article in the Guardian setting out their objections to the UK proposal. Here's an FT article about it.

https://www.ft.com/content/8658fbf0-654f-11e7-8526-7b38dcaef614

Guy Verhofstadt, the parliament’s Brexit co-ordinator, and seven other senior MEPs called for the UK to guarantee full rights under EU law and pledge to maintain equal treatment for the 3m EU migrants in Britain. “The European Parliament will reserve its right to reject any agreement that treats EU citizens, regardless of their nationality, less favourably than they are at present,” the MEPs wrote in the Guardian.

The article was signed by members of the European Parliament’s Brexit steering group, as well as the leaders of five political groups, including Manfred Weber of the centre-right EPP group and Gianni Pittella of the Socialists.