But, soft! what light through yonder window breaks?

[Ashtree]

I was wondering if Hammond had thought to find out what the EU's response of an extension to the UK's EU membership to 2022 might be. I am under the impression they want the bulk of it done and dusted and out of the way by March the 30 2019. One assumes a price will be extracted by them for any delay, if they decide to play ball.

Of course! Brits say sorry Mr. Barnier, our lease is up, but the new gaff ain't ready for several more years yet, and we ain't got nowhere else to stay.

Can just see Barnier putting on the latex gloves

 

[Walterp]

Of course! Brits say sorry Mr. Barnier, our lease is up, but the new gaff ain't ready for several more years yet, and we ain't got nowhere else to stay.

Can just see Barnier putting on the latex gloves

There will be a price to pay for the UK's unforced political errors.

That price will be a serious attempt by Mr Hammond to walk back the Brexit vote.

In the end, we simply cannot afford any other course of action.

 

[Exfarmer]

I was wondering if Hammond had thought to find out what the EU's response of an extension to the UK's EU membership to 2022 might be. I am under the impression they want the bulk of it done and dusted and out of the way by March the 30 2019. One assumes a price will be extracted by them for any delay, if they decide to play ball.

I would Like this, but I don't, sadly you are correct. Any room down there?

 

[turbo]

There will be a price to pay for the UK's unforced political errors.

That price will be a serious attempt by Mr Hammond to walk back the Brexit vote.

In the end, we simply cannot afford any other course of action.

Project fear is still alive and well I see

 

[Walterp]

Project fear is still alive and well I see

One of the most interesting things to have emerged from the Brexit débacle is the inability of much of the UK electorate to conceptualise, or discuss, complex issues.

As a result, disputes are not resolved by argument, but by insult. Which means, of course, that they don't get resolved at all, merely postponed.

This explains why - after over a year - there has been no (published) government research, or reasoned and sensible points about the various issues.

Cynics like to disparage this as "the Neverendum" because it drags on, but the reason, I suggest, is simpler: the electorate is not regarded as sufficiently sophisticated to discern sense from speciousness.

Politicians (of all stripes) address their voters with slogans and, in so doing, reveal what they really think about the abilities of their supporters. The fact that voters reciprocate with Pavlovian and 'sloganised' responses suggests, to me, the depressing conclusion that they might be right in their assessment. With the poorest educational outcomes in the developed World, I feel it's a fair observation, albeit a very sad one.

But...one of the reasons for the electoral success of Mr Corbyn is that he speaks 'to' people, not 'at' them - his approach credits us with enough sense to weigh up his arguments, rather than side with them. This intellectual honesty is an important part of his appeal.

May I respectfully suggest that you reflect on this - slogans are no substitute for reasoned debate.

There is always a price to pay for stupid decisions (which all of us make, from time to time).

 

[jendan]

One of the most interesting things to have emerged from the Brexit débacle is the inability of much of the UK electorate to conceptualise, or discuss, complex issues.

As a result, disputes are not resolved by argument, but by insult. Which means, of course, that they don't get resolved at all, merely postponed.

This explains why - after over a year - there has been no (published) government research, or reasoned and sensible points about the various issues.

Cynics like to disparage this as "the Neverendum" because it drags on, but the reason, I suggest, is simpler: the electorate is not regarded as sufficiently sophisticated to discern sense from speciousness.

Politicians (of all stripes) address their voters with slogans and, in so doing, reveal what they really think about the abilities of their supporters. The fact that voters reciprocate with Pavlovian and 'sloganised' responses suggests, to me, the depressing conclusion that they might be right in their assessment. With the poorest educational outcomes in the developed World, I feel it's a fair observation, albeit a very sad one.

But...one of the reasons for the electoral success of Mr Corbyn is that he speaks 'to' people, not 'at' them - his approach credits us with enough sense to weigh up his arguments, rather than side with them. This intellectual honesty is an important part of his appeal.

May I respectfully suggest that you reflect on this - slogans are no substitute for reasoned debate.

There is always a price to pay for stupid decisions (which all of us make, from time to time).

"Brexit means Breakfast" "Strong and Stable"

 

[Henarar]

Jumped up farmers son

 

[turbo]

One of the most interesting things to have emerged from the Brexit débacle is the inability of much of the UK electorate to conceptualise, or discuss, complex issues.

As a result, disputes are not resolved by argument, but by insult. Which means, of course, that they don't get resolved at all, merely postponed.

This explains why - after over a year - there has been no (published) government research, or reasoned and sensible points about the various issues.

Cynics like to disparage this as "the Neverendum" because it drags on, but the reason, I suggest, is simpler: the electorate is not regarded as sufficiently sophisticated to discern sense from speciousness.

Politicians (of all stripes) address their voters with slogans and, in so doing, reveal what they really think about the abilities of their supporters. The fact that voters reciprocate with Pavlovian and 'sloganised' responses suggests, to me, the depressing conclusion that they might be right in their assessment. With the poorest educational outcomes in the developed World, I feel it's a fair observation, albeit a very sad one.

But...one of the reasons for the electoral success of Mr Corbyn is that he speaks 'to' people, not 'at' them - his approach credits us with enough sense to weigh up his arguments, rather than side with them. This intellectual honesty is an important part of his appeal.

May I respectfully suggest that you reflect on this - slogans are no substitute for reasoned debate.

There is always a price to pay for stupid decisions (which all of us make, from time to time).

No corbyn did well because he bribed a large section of the population with free money,not one of your post gives any solution to the problems other than to carry on as before and forget how the British people voted in a referendum. The eu have shown time after time that they are not interested in what the general population wants all it cares about is self preservation ,yes it will be difficult for us to leave and there will be problems along the way but to carry on as before is not an option

 

[Ashtree]

Most effective slogan of all time was plastered on the side of a red bus. The rest as they say is history!

Trump followed up with some more catchy slogans. "lock her up", for example!! Really suited the limited capacity of the "deplorables", and consequently resonated right up to polling day and beyond.

Then again, the latest iteration of political sloganeering "strong and stable", fell like a damp squib. Perhaps it wasn't low brow enough to resonate with the folks who wouldn't normally vote and if they did certainly wouldn't vote Tory!

"Out now", as I have fertiliser to get spread!

 

[czechmate]

Most effective slogan of all time was plastered on the side of a red bus. The rest as they say is history!

Trump followed up with some more catchy slogans. "lock her up", for example!! Really suited the limited capacity of the "deplorables", and consequently resonated right up to polling day and beyond.

Then again, the latest iteration of political sloganeering "strong and stable", fell like a damp squib. Perhaps it wasn't low brow enough to resonate with the folks who wouldn't normally vote and if they did certainly wouldn't vote Tory!

"Out now", as I have fertiliser to get spread!

To try and make anything on the brexit board interesting, is it usual for you to be spreading fert at this time of year?

 

[Henarar]

To try and make anything on the brexit board interesting, is it usual for you to be spreading fert at this time of year?

he spreads plenty of sh!t most of it artificial

 

[Ashtree]

To try and make anything on the brexit board interesting, is it usual for you to be spreading fert at this time of year?

Of course! Post second cut silage a dusting of NPK keeps things ticking along nicely.

 

[RobFZS]

One of the most interesting things to have emerged from the Brexit débacle is the inability of much of the UK electorate to conceptualise, or discuss, complex issues.

As a result, disputes are not resolved by argument, but by insult. Which means, of course, that they don't get resolved at all, merely postponed.

This explains why - after over a year - there has been no (published) government research, or reasoned and sensible points about the various issues.

Cynics like to disparage this as "the Neverendum" because it drags on, but the reason, I suggest, is simpler: the electorate is not regarded as sufficiently sophisticated to discern sense from speciousness.

Politicians (of all stripes) address their voters with slogans and, in so doing, reveal what they really think about the abilities of their supporters. The fact that voters reciprocate with Pavlovian and 'sloganised' responses suggests, to me, the depressing conclusion that they might be right in their assessment. With the poorest educational outcomes in the developed World, I feel it's a fair observation, albeit a very sad one.

But...one of the reasons for the electoral success of Mr Corbyn is that he speaks 'to' people, not 'at' them - his approach credits us with enough sense to weigh up his arguments, rather than side with them. This intellectual honesty is an important part of his appeal.

May I respectfully suggest that you reflect on this - slogans are no substitute for reasoned debate.

There is always a price to pay for stupid decisions (which all of us make, from time to time).

Corbyn didn't do well, he did worse than Micheal Howard in 2005 and he resigned soon after.

He lost behind the worst tory campaign in political history, he tricked the Ukippers in to thinking he would deliver a hard brexit, of which even you're fawning over him not doing, go take a look at the data, because that's where all the votes for him came from

I'm looking forward to the thread you do where we should call an end to brexit, and then make all sort of weird excuses when we get an authoritarian in power because people don't trust politicians anymore.

Reasoned debate is finished, have you tried it? say anything about the NHS and you get accused of wanting to privitise it, say anything about migration and you're a racist, say old people have to pay for their care from their homes they've made a fortune on from doing nowt and you get slammed with a 'death tax'

Just like the referendum, i think you and me both saw a different election campaign 'intellectual honesty', did you see how much Dianne Abbot was going to pay police officers extra? about 300 quid because she got the figures wrong, the Labour parties approach is ' give the people what they want and deserve' and we'll worry about how it's going to be paid for after, it's the most dishonest thing i've seen in a long time, it is pure populism, as a learned man, or suppose to be, you should know this.

Reasoned debate is over as everyone knows everything, except everyone seems to be wrong and i'd love to see a way of breaking it, because i see none, other than ofcourse, scrapping social media

 

[RobFZS]

Most effective slogan of all time was plastered on the side of a red bus. The rest as they say is history!

Trump followed up with some more catchy slogans. "lock her up", for example!! Really suited the limited capacity of the "deplorables", and consequently resonated right up to polling day and beyond.

Then again, the latest iteration of political sloganeering "strong and stable", fell like a damp squib. Perhaps it wasn't low brow enough to resonate with the folks who wouldn't normally vote and if they did certainly wouldn't vote Tory!

"Out now", as I have fertiliser to get spread!

The bus really swung it didn't it!

It's low hanging fruit to remainers, but the facts speak for themselves, the campaigns had very little sway on what way the public were going to go.

 

[caveman]

The bus really swung it didn't it!

It's low hanging fruit to remainers, but the facts speak for themselves, the campaigns had very little sway on what way the public were going to go.

And the Remainians had nothing to offer
But
Vote remain for even more of the same old shite

 

[RobFZS]

The remainers are slowly finding out now, what exactly the EU is, other than for a quick buck like Walter's soo upset about, the way they've got us intertwined in it over the year's, with no one asking the public for consent, will indeed make it hard work to leave, they only have themselves to blame, don't push people in a direction they don't want, or prepare for the consequences

There's definitely no going back now, the wound is well and truly open

 

[baabaa]

The remainers are slowly finding out now, what exactly the EU is, other than for a quick buck like Walter's soo upset about, the way they've got us intertwined in it over the year's, with no one asking the public for consent, will indeed make it hard work to leave, they only have themselves to blame, don't push people in a direction they don't want, or prepare for the consequences

There's definitely no going back now, the wound is well and truly open

time for something from the bard methinks
"perish the man whose mind is backward now"

 

[czechmate]

Of course! Post second cut silage a dusting of NPK keeps things ticking along nicely.

I suppose you get some rain in the summer

 

[Ashtree]

I suppose you get some rain in the summer

Yesterday's fertiliser well and truely washed in or worse still washed off after last nights deluge

 

[wanton dwarf]

One of the most interesting things to have emerged from the Brexit débacle is the inability of much of the UK electorate to conceptualise, or discuss, complex issues.

As a result, disputes are not resolved by argument, but by insult. Which means, of course, that they don't get resolved at all, merely postponed.

This explains why - after over a year - there has been no (published) government research, or reasoned and sensible points about the various issues.

Cynics like to disparage this as "the Neverendum" because it drags on, but the reason, I suggest, is simpler: the electorate is not regarded as sufficiently sophisticated to discern sense from speciousness.

Politicians (of all stripes) address their voters with slogans and, in so doing, reveal what they really think about the abilities of their supporters. The fact that voters reciprocate with Pavlovian and 'sloganised' responses suggests, to me, the depressing conclusion that they might be right in their assessment. With the poorest educational outcomes in the developed World, I feel it's a fair observation, albeit a very sad one.

But...one of the reasons for the electoral success of Mr Corbyn is that he speaks 'to' people, not 'at' them - his approach credits us with enough sense to weigh up his arguments, rather than side with them. This intellectual honesty is an important part of his appeal.

May I respectfully suggest that you reflect on this - slogans are no substitute for reasoned debate.

There is always a price to pay for stupid decisions (which all of us make, from time to time).

VERY apparent slogans were crap during the last election.

Brexit was a long term policy over at least 3 terms with the reasons manifest in MANY terms before that.

The biggest danger to political discourse throughout society is Platform Denial and Political Correctness.

3,000 young white girls raped over decades and not a single authority helped them ... think on what Liberal bias and rhetoric has done. The ONLY political party which highlighted their plight was the BNP. Even the young lady which took it on her eown to fight their cause was sacked by the very same lax authorities.

Given Corbyn had no shame when 100,000s were being slaughtered in Iraq and Afghanistan based on fabrications ... given nobody has been sent fo jail ... given no one has even been thrown out of the Labour party ... given those same blood drenched people are even active today in the media ... how can anyone justify an association with the Labour Party ?

"Intellectual honesty" ... yeah right ... "See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil".

I remember even if you don't.