Buy machinery now or wait until after Brexit date?

[thesilentone]

The default is not an exit with no deal if nothing is done. Not as I understand it, even though that is the generally understood wisdom. Leaving needs the agreement of Parliament and that is not forthcoming without some kind of deal and certainly not from a prorogation.
It could well be that Boris calls an early election and that Brexit is further delayed until his inevitable win.

dream on............The only way to stop article 50, is to revoke it.

 

[Cowabunga]

But they voted for Article 50 overwhelmingly , and the default of that is ....

Parliament is supreme and if they decide against it when the time comes, the PM has limited options.
Parliament is up against a faction of millionaire elitists that are hellbent on ruining our UK and its economy for their own ends. They couldn't care a flying f**k about the general economy, the employment and prosperity prospects of the common man who is daft enough to follow them.

 

[Cowabunga]

dream on............The only way to stop article 50, is to revoke it.

How do you know? Exit has been stopped several times already.

None of this elite promised the population that we would exit with no deal. In fact they promised exactly the opposite. Apart from 350million a week for the NHS printed on the side of a bus they posed in front of at every opportunity, they explicitly promised the 'easiest and fastest' deal ever with the EU and that they would be knocking at our door begging for it. Things which sensible people knew were blatant lies from the very beginning but which some people seem to completely disregard even when the evidence hits them right between their eyes.

 

[Wellytrack]

Would it be the end of the world if every farm in the UK had a big JCB Fastrack as a main tractor, and something smaller from Basildon as yard tractors ? Other countries seem to be patriotic when it comes to buying tractors, why not the UK ? And don't waffle on about reliability, plenty of threads on here about over priced German tractors with gearbox problems.

Just a thought.

I like your thinking, I really do, I’ve got quite old red things in the yard here but I’m not that brand loyal that a whacking great tariff wouldn’t encourage me to go yellow or blue.

Only thing is where are the bits and bobs that make a yellow and blue tractors from? That German gearbox you mention is the very same in the yellow ones. The blue version is Austrian.

 

[Boohoo]

How do you know? Exit has been stopped several times already.

It hasn't been stopped it has been delayed. For it to be delayed again both sides need to agree to an extension. If this doesn't happen we are out, it's what parliament voted for.

 

[Cowabunga]

It hasn't been stopped it has been delayed. For it to be delayed again both sides need to agree to an extension. If this doesn't happen we are out, it's what parliament voted for.

As I explained, that is not necessarily the case. If it happens it happens, but there are a whole lot of clever people trying to make sure that a cabal of millionaires does not ruin the UK for their own financial gain while plunging the rest of us, including their blinkered followers, into a mess that will take many decades to recover from, condemning our children and grandchildren to a far lower standard of living than was ever the case for our generation.

 

[thesilentone]

How do you know? Exit has been stopped several times already.

None of this elite promised the population that we would exit with no deal. In fact they promised exactly the opposite. Apart from 350million a week for the NHS printed on the side of a bus they posed in front of at every opportunity, they explicitly promised the 'easiest and fastest' deal ever with the EU and that they would be knocking at our door begging for it. Things which sensible people knew were blatant lies from the very beginning but which some people seem to completely disregard even when the evidence hits them right between their eyes.

Brexit has not been been stopped, merely delayed from March to May to Oct, there is no process in Article 50 to stop Brexit unless we revoke it. So, they could extend beyond 31st Oct, But Boris has put his cards firmly on the table, how can it be stopped ? Parliament does not vote on everything, and when it gets the opportunity, this is the outcome.

The British people voted overwhelmingly to leave, and we will leave.

This issue is deal or no deal, and at the moment it looks like no deal.

 

[Cowabunga]

Brexit has not been been stopped, merely delayed from May to Oct, there is no process in Article 50 to stop Brexit unless we revoke it. So, they could extend beyond 31st Oct, But Boris has put his cards firmly on the table, how can it be stopped ? Parliament does not vote on everything, and when it gets the opportunity, this is the outcome.

The British people voted overwhelmingly to leave, and we will leave.

This issue is deal or no deal, and at the moment it looks like no deal.

They voted MARGINALLY to leave. Even Farage, before the results and expecting to lose, expressed that such a close result would be no mandate for anything. Changed his mind pretty quick after the result though.

 

[thesilentone]

They voted MARGINALLY to leave. Even Farage, before the results and expecting to lose, expressed that such a close result would be no mandate for anything. Changed his mind pretty quick after the result though.

So what ?

 

[bobk]

How do you know? Exit has been stopped several times already.

It was stopped because the PM asked for 2 extensions , nowt to do with parliament

 

[bobk]

As I explained, that is not necessarily the case. If it happens it happens, but there are a whole lot of clever people trying to make sure that a cabal of millionaires does not ruin the UK for their own financial gain while plunging the rest of us, including their blinkered followers, into a mess that will take many decades to recover from, condemning our children and grandchildren to a far lower standard of living than was ever the case for our generation.

There are 3 options , revocation , another extension or no deal .

 

[More to life]

It hasn't been stopped it has been delayed. For it to be delayed again both sides need to agree to an extension. If this doesn't happen we are out, it's what parliament voted for.

If parliament sets a date for a second referendum then the EU will definitely agree to an extension.

 

[Boohoo]

As I explained, that is not necessarily the case. If it happens it happens, but there are a whole lot of clever people trying to make sure that a cabal of millionaires does not ruin the UK for their own financial gain while plunging the rest of us, including their blinkered followers, into a mess that will take many decades to recover from, condemning our children and grandchildren to a far lower standard of living than was ever the case for our generation.

Where did you explain it? What is the default position if it isn't leave without a deal at the end of October? If you know something that the rest of us don't please share it along with at least one reference so that the rest of us may educate ourselves.

 

[Boohoo]

If parliament sets a date for a second referendum then the EU will definitely agree to an extension.

For the EU to agree to an extension the UK government has to ask for an extension.

 

[bobk]

If parliament sets a date for a second referendum then the EU will definitely agree to an extension.

They voted that down also .

 

[Clive]

Brexit has not been been stopped, merely delayed from March to May to Oct, there is no process in Article 50 to stop Brexit unless we revoke it. So, they could extend beyond 31st Oct, But Boris has put his cards firmly on the table, how can it be stopped ? Parliament does not vote on everything, and when it gets the opportunity, this is the outcome.

The British people voted overwhelmingly to leave, and we will leave.

This issue is deal or no deal, and at the moment it looks like no deal.

it can only be extended if the EU agree to an extension I think ? and didn't they say last time that there would be no more extensions ? is that correct ?

Brexit on the 31st October is the default I believe ?? unless UK government agrees on revoke or extension (no hope they will agree on anything !) and then the EU accept what they agree to ask for (also no hope of that !)


more delays are the worst case scenario now IMO - we need to just get on with it and deal with whatever

 

[7610 super q]

I like your thinking, I really do, I’ve got quite old red things in the yard here but I’m not that brand loyal that a whacking great tariff wouldn’t encourage me to go yellow or blue.

Only thing is where are the bits and bobs that make a yellow and blue tractors from? That German gearbox you mention is the very same in the yellow ones. The blue version is Austrian.

Yes, and Basildon is a mere assembly plant, but it's a start.

 

[bobk]

I'm not even sure a vote of confidence would get through , too many MP's would be signing their P45

 

[More to life]

For the EU to agree to an extension the UK government has to ask for an extension.

Yes this would require the current mob to be voted down and another government formed strange days indeed.

 

[bobk]

Yes this would require the current mob to be voted down and another government formed strange days indeed.

Corbyn or no deal ? know which I would choose