C&F gone

mawleymoos

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Location
Shropshire
Bust? Or change of name to avoid paying bills and obligations? Had a bill a couple of days ago from c&f wind turbines (or similar) can anyone throw any light on it? Surely if they were bust, there would be more in the press!
 

fermerboy

Member
Location
Banffshire
It would appear that they are winding up C&F Green Energy ltd, which is the manufacturing side.
Considering that there more or less no market for small machines worldwide, especially now that Japan has pulled its Fit scheme this is no real surprise. In fact many have expecting this sort of thing for a while.
Where this leaves owners with remaining warranty is unknown, possibly high and dry.
Many machines are nearing the end of warranty anyway so maybe not such a loss.
Those of us with experience of C&F may cynically consider that closing this company down to walk away from such issues was a deliberate plan.
As far as I know the C&F group, including the turbine services company are still going as normal.
 

mawleymoos

Member
Location
Shropshire
winding up! and liquidation are two different things! they were, and had agreed to put bigger blades on our turbine, that was included in the origional deal! they never disputed it, and actually booked in numerous time slots,to fit them! but now are saying that they have changed trading names so aren't for doing so! the whole lot stinks if you ask me! does anyone know of any other company, that can maintain the 50-100kw range? as i feel c&f do not deserve another penny, if this is true! surely they will have shot themselves in the foot now, as any software rights to contracts with c&f green energy will have gone??
 

bigw

Member
Location
Scotland
They have gone into voluntary liquidation I believe. We are maintained by NTS and I would be pretty hopeful that they would still mange to do the job but minus all the warranty stuff. I'm surprised that C&F haven't done this before to be honest.
 

fermerboy

Member
Location
Banffshire
does anyone know of any other company, that can maintain the 50-100kw range? as i feel c&f do not deserve another penny, if this is true! surely they will have shot themselves in the foot now, as any software rights to contracts with c&f green energy will have gone??

Think every owner has had poor treatment from C&F, this is just another example.

Regarding maintenance, have you tried Darren Birch at Nextgen Renewables.??
He certainly does the smaller ones and the bigger ones too i think.
He fits his own computer in the tower and takes over monitoring etc, which lets you get ypur machine away from C&F completely. Not any cheaper than C&F approved/linked agents but possibly better.

I think that other maintenance options will appear once there is no warranty left to hold us to them.

Article here about it.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....ff-issues-and-red-tape-in-japan-38026053.html
 

miniconnect

Member
Location
Argyll
It would appear that they are winding up C&F Green Energy ltd, which is the manufacturing side.
Considering that there more or less no market for small machines worldwide, especially now that Japan has pulled its Fit scheme this is no real surprise. In fact many have expecting this sort of thing for a while.
Where this leaves owners with remaining warranty is unknown, possibly high and dry.
Many machines are nearing the end of warranty anyway so maybe not such a loss.
Those of us with experience of C&F may cynically consider that closing this company down to walk away from such issues was a deliberate plan.
As far as I know the C&F group, including the turbine services company are still going as normal.
Worrying news, I Know of one in discussion with c&f over a large warranty claim with a turbine on the ground, where this leaves you now?

I'd hope NTS would be able to take over the monitoring without too much trouble.
 

Morayman

New Member
Not the best news I've had to complete my week as I have C&F turbine. My concern is the monitoring, and that the thing will come to halt as they lose further interest and comms are lost. An NTS letter later on the same day stated they can autonomously read the monitoring data, but doesn't suggest they are in control of it. They also didn't give much reassurance over customer machines held at their workshop.
At least it gives the chance of finally seeing the back of anything to do with these people. As has been suggested it appears to be flipping names between the subsidiaries rather than actually doing away with any of the existing businesses, except for the manufacture of complete turbines. Even the employees are being reabsorbed within the group. Supposedly it's a voluntary wind up so you can bet all the worthwhile assets have been absorbed within the group, and the liquidator will have little to distribute to claimants. It also makes sense that with 400 plus turbines in Japan not being certified that the company wants to distance itself from that fallout. You can only wonder whether the Japanese government might pursue this matter through the European courts. This especially considering the recent EU/Japan trade agreement.

Bust? Or change of name to avoid paying bills and obligations? Had a bill a couple of days ago from c&f wind turbines (or similar) can anyone throw any light on it? Surely if they were bust, there would be more in the press!

I'd be reluctant to pay a bill to C&F GE Ltd until I was contacted by the liquidator. Might be your lucky day and a chance of getting something back off these people. Check it isn't from one of the other myriad of companies hiding under the C&F tooling ie umbrella, even if the job/parts was originally organised though C&F GE Ltd. .
 

Morayman

New Member
I misread the report on the Japanese certification, where it looks like a Japanese issue rather than a C&F issue. Makes a change though!
 

Morayman

New Member
Believe they are supposed to be insured against going to the wall for the period of their Workshop Warranty, but am unsure if this extends for the entire period of a customer C&F warranty or just for 2 years. Some detail is on the RECC website, and I’ve emailed them for clarification.
 

KennyO

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Angus
Anyone had any dealings with Ecocel for c&f repairs?
Both our machines have faulty alternators. Was apparently a warranty issue so NTS wouldn't/ couldn't do anything with them. Not sure where to try and get NTS to sort them now or find another repairer.
 

miniconnect

Member
Location
Argyll
Anyone had any dealings with Ecocel for c&f repairs?
Both our machines have faulty alternators. Was apparently a warranty issue so NTS wouldn't/ couldn't do anything with them. Not sure where to try and get NTS to sort them now or find another repairer.
Had ecocel round trying for business a few weeks ago, salesman seemed a bit too keen.
 

fermerboy

Member
Location
Banffshire
Anyone had any dealings with Ecocel for c&f repairs?
Both our machines have faulty alternators. Was apparently a warranty issue so NTS wouldn't/ couldn't do anything with them. Not sure where to try and get NTS to sort them now or find another repairer.

Anyone had any dealings with Ecocel for c&f repairs?
Both our machines have faulty alternators. Was apparently a warranty issue so NTS wouldn't/ couldn't do anything with them. Not sure where to try and get NTS to sort them now or find another repairer.

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