Calf pneumonia

Currently having serious issues with calves getting pneumonia, to the extent that it’s keeping me wake at night and stressed all the time about it and should of asked for help earlier

I’ll be straight with you, calf sheds/housing is poor, old buildings with tin roofs and not all good ventilation. Been rearing calves in these old building for the last 4 years (ever since I starting rearing some of my own dairy replacements) and last year was the first year I experienced a problem with pneumonia. There are more calves going through the sheds now than 4 years ago BUT are only in these old type building until weaning and then they are moved to a better old building with tested well to a “smoke bomb” test as it is not only larger but has an open ridge, ( where they first go after being token off their mothers being a closed ridge roof) where as 4 years ago when they went into these old poor buildings they stayed in their til they were turned out in the summer.

Many of you will comment, “ replace the buildings, it’s the building fault”, well I cannot agree with you more BUT I have already looked down this root and would need planning permission which will take months to get going where as at the moment I’m looking for a quick fix. I have got funds available to build a new shed but currently these funds are being put towards a new milking parlour which is in the planning phase and wouldn’t be able to fund both a parlour and a new calf rearing shed.

Last spring I was losing calves to scours, got the vet to take some dung samples, came back as rotavirus so started vaccinating cows at drying off and apart from a few where the calves didn’t get their mothers colostrum I’ve not had a problem. Is there anything similar I can use for pneumonia prevention? Have starting using calf jackets in hope that this will help, is there anything else I could be doing? Weather hasn’t been great and having big changes in temperature definitely not helping, one day last week it was 9 degrees, yesterday it barely got above freezing.

These old building originally had boskins in and were used for milking cows tied up, and are in use all year round as calve all year round. Would it be a good ideas to next summer not use the sheds and give them a rest period to kill the bug off?

The other problem is I’ve got a serious ringworm issue in the calves which the vet is saying is effecting their immune system. Tried everything, krestoting any wood in the sheds, painting the ringworm affected skin with anti bacterial spray, painting with sump oil, diesel, adding minerals to their concentrates, now trying a homophaci remedy that’s added to the water.

Treating pneumonia infected calves with Draxxin and Metacam and after a few days if there is no improvement treat them again with Zupremo and metacam if they still have a temperature.

Just rearing the friesian heifer calves at the moment and it’s these that are been affected with the ringworm and pneumonia, fed milk replacer at the strongest concentration until weaning around 10-12 weeks. All bull calves and beef calves are being nurse cow fed and sold at around 4-6 weeks old to a local calf dealer.

What else should I be doing, should I be expecting these loses? I am at my wits end as it is seriously depressing losing calves as I can’t see how thing are improving.
 

had e nuff

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Location
Durham
Do you vaccinate for pneumonia, if not get them done with rispoval intranasal. Definitely a big help. Also we used to vaccinate for ringworm, did it for 2 years and had no bother since.
 

bar718

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Do you vaccinate for pneumonia, if not get them done with rispoval intranasal. Definitely a big help. Also we used to vaccinate for ringworm, did it for 2 years and had no bother since.

We looked down the pneumonia vaccination route and our vet advised us to sample some calves to check which type of pneumonia we have as the different vaccines work best against certain types of pneumonia and not as well against others so check with your vet first before going down this route as if it doesn’t work you will blame the vaccine when actually you are fighting a different bug to which the vaccine was designed for.
 
Location
West Wales
Could be wrong but I think draxxin and zuprevo are in the same drug family and should last 2 weeks in the system so your throwing money away double dosing. Could be wrong here @bovine ?

If they’re getting a high temp managing this is really important so I would suggest metecam every other day for 6 days ie 3 doses. Would be vary wary of going more than this though.

Short term sollution is fans or hutches. Get some air moving around them get the stale air gone and fresh air In.

More radical approach have you a very sheltered field? Not knowing your rainfall but here today is cold and crisp which is perfect for young calves
 
Make a pen outside their shed so they can run in and out at their free will, we have an old tin sheet lean to we rear ours in, if shut in you can't rear a calf for pneumonia, but give them an outside yard as well and we never jab a calf.
 

GenuineRisk

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Location
Somerset
We’ve had a bout here, too and our sheds are nigh on perfect. We lost one (white) 8mo bull calf and thereafter we hit anything even remotely suss hard with the Draxxin / Metacam route then Tetroxy LA. Yes, it was costly - we ended up taking temperatures of the baby (beef) calves daily and anything starting to go up got treated. Weaned dairy calves the same protocol. Everything seems OK now but not complacent - spending a good 10 minutes quietly watching all the baby calves in shed morning and evening. The older weanlings beefers slightly easier, as they are fed hard grub and anything not pushing for its grub gets temp taken! I reckon observation is pretty key and I’d look at seeing if you couldn’t put together a rough and ready penning system so the calves can go in and out as they please. Just a few feet of outside space would be beneficial.
 
Get some hutches with runs. Before we had them I thought they were pricey and couldn't see the benefit but without doubt they are the best investment we've ever made.
 
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Derrick Hughes

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Location
Ceredigion
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Hampton

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Location
Shropshire
Either risproval intranasal followed by risproval 4 at 12 weeks and 15 weeks.
Or try Bovipast at 3 weeks and 5 weeks.
We have had a terrible year and the conclcusion is that prevention definitely works better than cure (cure basically hasn't worked on ours).
 

dinderleat

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Location
Wells
Ours vets are now doing the vaccination 'free of charge ' as long as you buy the vaccine from them, vet tec comes every 2 weeks and does them. Just moving on to a different vaccine as we were using bovipast which gives full cover from 6 weeks were the new on gives full cover from 4 weeks.
Have you looked at a tube fan system works out about 1k for the setup which will do a 40*30 shed worth a look. If not get some hutches they are great you won't look back.
 
Location
East Mids
We looked down the pneumonia vaccination route and our vet advised us to sample some calves to check which type of pneumonia we have as the different vaccines work best against certain types of pneumonia and not as well against others so check with your vet first before going down this route as if it doesn’t work you will blame the vaccine when actually you are fighting a different bug to which the vaccine was designed for.
Spot on.

Find out what virus is causing the problem and vaccinate accordingly, making sure you do it 'by the book'. Also, how good is your colostrum management? I also seem to recall that you buy in a fair number of cows so if calving soon after purchase even if those calves get plenty of colostrum if may not have the right antibodies in for 'your' viruses. Overcrowding? Makes a big difference with us, especially if we get an odd warm day. Keep them well bedded to try and reduce moisture and ammonia, the latter will aggravate their respiratory system (as will dust, does it get dusty when you bed down? ). Are the calves sharing air space with older animals? Even with poor buildings there can be a lot of other things you can look at which might reduce incidence.
 
Not over crowed, had nearly 30 calves in each building a few years ago before I have a pneumonia problem currently their is 12 in one 11 in the other. Dust when bedding down isn’t much of a problem as they are bedded with round bales of straw so is just a job of push the bale round until it’s unrolled it’s self.
There is no other cattle in the building close by and colostrum management is if I see the calf suckling it’s mother in the first few hours I leave it well alone, if like today I’ve had an heifer that’s calved and isn’t bothered about mothering the calf, I’ll milk her and feed the calf as soon as possible (normally in the first few hours).
Yes I have brought in a few cows but these are normally fresh calved at the time of purchase.
 
Could be wrong but I think draxxin and zuprevo are in the same drug family and should last 2 weeks in the system so your throwing money away double dosing. Could be wrong here @bovine ?

If they’re getting a high temp managing this is really important so I would suggest metecam every other day for 6 days ie 3 doses. Would be vary wary of going more than this though.

Short term sollution is fans or hutches. Get some air moving around them get the stale air gone and fresh air In.

More radical approach have you a very sheltered field? Not knowing your rainfall but here today is cold and crisp which is perfect for young calves
What would you recommend for pneumonia treatment?
 

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