Can a farmer claim government virus aid money.

[2tractors]

As I understand the announcements (more details needed to fully grasp how the assistance will help), the grants will start to come out in April for businesses that have rateable premises. This will apply (I expect) even if you don't pay rates due to small business rate relief. Under £12000 RV the grant is £10000. The larger grant of £25000 is for businesses where the population is advised to avoid, pubs clubs etc. These businesses will also have 12 months free of business rates.
The loan is just that a 12 month loan that will incur interest and will be need to be paid back, I would be cautious with this given the unknown situation going forward and if a business will be catching up enough to pay back at the end of the loan.
In England the best source of advise will be your local growth hub, if you're suffering from the impact of a lack of customers or other factors, tell the growth hub as they are feeding this information into government on a daily basis.

 

[ridger]

Farm with chipping potatoes in store with virtually no market left?

Sell them for packing

 

[Mixedupfarmer]

Sell them for packing

Good luck trying to do that with a non assured chipping variety out of ambient store.

 

[ridger]

Good luck trying to do that with a non assured chipping variety out of ambient store.

Yes ambient store would be a problem, be getting less firm by now

 

[gone up the hill]

As I understand the announcements (more details needed to fully grasp how the assistance will help), the grants will start to come out in April for businesses that have rateable premises. This will apply (I expect) even if you don't pay rates due to small business rate relief. Under £12000 RV the grant is £10000. The larger grant of £25000 is for businesses where the population is advised to avoid, pubs clubs etc. These businesses will also have 12 months free of business rates.
The loan is just that a 12 month loan that will incur interest and will be need to be paid back, I would be cautious with this given the unknown situation going forward and if a business will be catching up enough to pay back at the end of the loan.
In England the best source of advise will be your local growth hub, if you're suffering from the impact of a lack of customers or other factors, tell the growth hub as they are feeding this information into government on a daily basis.

So that would rule out all farms producing food then?

 

[2tractors]

So that would rule out all farms producing food then?

For a grant yes unless they had other activities that were business rated like holiday let's. Loans possibly but as I said be cautious.

 

[glasshouse]

As I understand the announcements (more details needed to fully grasp how the assistance will help), the grants will start to come out in April for businesses that have rateable premises. This will apply (I expect) even if you don't pay rates due to small business rate relief. Under £12000 RV the grant is £10000. The larger grant of £25000 is for businesses where the population is advised to avoid, pubs clubs etc. These businesses will also have 12 months free of business rates.
The loan is just that a 12 month loan that will incur interest and will be need to be paid back, I would be cautious with this given the unknown situation going forward and if a business will be catching up enough to pay back at the end of the loan.
In England the best source of advise will be your local growth hub, if you're suffering from the impact of a lack of customers or other factors, tell the growth hub as they are feeding this information into government on a daily basis.

It will be like the universal credit office located on the first floor with no lift, so disabled folk couldnt get to it

 

[gone up the hill]

For a grant yes unless they had other activities that were business rated like holiday let's. Loans possibly but as I said be cautious.

The government made a big song and dance about all this money they were giving to businesses yesterday but in reality as you say its just a loan and given how long they seem intent on locking the country down for it will be years before most business's that take the loan will be able to re-pay it.

The Government so called experts are now calling for a 12 month complete lock down until a vaccine is ready! utter madness!

 

[Sid]

The government made a big song and dance about all this money they were giving to businesses yesterday but in reality as you say its just a loan and given how long they seem intent on locking the country down for it will be years before most business's that take the loan will be able to re-pay it.

The Government so called experts are now calling for a 12 month complete lock down until a vaccine is ready! utter madness!

What happens is, the businesses take the loan, pay a dividend to the directors, and then go bust. Moneys gone, no repayment necessary.
You have to think outside the box ??

 

[ollie989898]

I think you will have a hard time convincing the public that farmers should be given any of this loan money given that they already receive BPS....

If you have another enterprise of some diversified nature which would not be entitled to BPS then I don't see why it would not be entitled to the same support as a pub or shop or whatever.

 

[GeorgeK]

What happens is, the businesses take the loan, pay a dividend to the directors, and then go bust. Moneys gone, no repayment necessary.
You have to think outside the box ??

Exactly my thoughts, if you're going bust anyway take the loan as a golden parachute

 

[Sid]

I think you will have a hard time convincing the public that farmers should be given any of this loam money given that they already receive BPS....

Why? Do they not want cheap food? Or are they no going to be willing to pay a realistic price for it?
Should a mobile phone, vaping, betting shop get a loan over a food producer?

 

[Sid]

Exactly my thoughts, if you're going bust anyway take the loan as a golden parachute

Exactly, Lord Sugar didn't get to where he is today by playing fair. Hard ball business man!

 

[Hilly]

Virus aid is just more guff
Slash vat, slash fuel duty,
Ban evictions
That would help everybody (except landlords)

You never give up fo you, why don’t you just emigrate somewhere that suits you better ? Go on grow a pair and go.

 

[ollie989898]

Why? Do they not want cheap food? Or are they no going to be willing to pay a realistic price for it?
Should a mobile phone, vaping, betting shop get a loan over a food producer?

You and that cheap food again. Are you producing the stuff for charity or what?

You already get tax payer support, you know what the average payment is as well as I do.

 

[gone up the hill]

I think you will have a hard time convincing the public that farmers should be given any of this loam money given that they already receive BPS....

This situation is a totally different kettle of fish to the BPS payments.

Within days thousands of farms may not be able to sell any livestock for several months, this will have massive implications for both cash flow and welfare implications on these farms.

No one could have foreseen this situation which could be about to happen and tbh Ollie its very sad of you to use such a difficult situation such as this to point score about the BPS payments. ( actually its pathetic of you )

 

[Sid]

You and that cheap food again. Are you producing the stuff for charity or what?

You already get tax payer support, you know what the average payment is as well as I do.

Very rarely I mention cheap food.
I am producing a premium product for a premium price.

With the introduction of ELMS you will see large swathes of the UK becoming non food producing and we will become more reliant on imports, how many governments will now reassess their reliance on imported food ?

Majority of businesses in the UK get public support.
Was looking at supermarket job website , all the jobs are for 16 max. Why? Because then they can pay the workers minimum wage and can get tax credits to top up their pay. Supermarket creates 2 jobs where actually one person could do that.
Supermarket looks good when they create twice the number of jobs.
Subs are necessarily paid direct

 

[ollie989898]

This situation is a totally different kettle of fish to the BPS payments.

Within days thousands of farms may not be able to sell any livestock for several months, this will have massive implications for both cash flow and welfare implications on these farms.

No one could have foreseen this situation which could be about to happen and tbh Ollie its very sad of you to use such a difficult situation such as this to point score about the BPS payments. ( actually its pathetic of you )

Your command of the English language never ceases to amaze me. I don't have the foggiest what you are on about regarding the scoring of points, I suggest you attempt to read what has been written, again, slowly and more carefully this time.

Other industries employ an equal or greater amount of people and will be in very precarious times. Agriculture already receives government support as a standalone, and it has nothing to with any level of production nor the supply or even demand for food, it is paid on a historical basis to land owners. None of this need be too complex to understand.

Obviously where people are running other enterprises alongside other agricultural businesses I don't see any issue with them making use of a facility aimed at supporting businesses in such a precarious time, clearly the idea is to ensure businesses stay afloat and to protect jobs.

 

[Sid]

Within days thousands of farms may not be able to sell any livestock for several months, this will have massive implications for both cash flow and welfare implications on these farms.

Why not? Do fully explain why?
Please stop scaremongering as it can effect peoples mental health.

Lobby MPs about what is happening on the ground, keep markets open, keep slaughter houses running, keep TB testing going.

Now is the time to feed the nation not scaremonger.

 

[ollie989898]

Very rarely I mention cheap food.
I am producing a premium product for a premium price.

With the introduction of ELMS you will see large swathes of the UK becoming non food producing and we will become more reliant on imports, how many governments will now reassess their reliance on imported food ?

Majority of businesses in the UK get public support.
Was looking at supermarket job website , all the jobs are for 16 max. Why? Because then they can pay the workers minimum wage and can get tax credits to top up their pay. Supermarket creates 2 jobs where actually one person could do that.
Supermarket looks good when they create twice the number of jobs.
Subs are necessarily paid direct

I don't care by what mechanism money is paid. ELMS or whatever; if large swathes of the countryside aren't economic to produce food I will not be surprised but that is a secondary and unrelated issue. If they aren't economic in that case then in reality they probably are not economic now, what exact point are you trying to make?

I am not convinced the UK will become instantly more reliant on imported food, the dairy industry seems to do what it does and BPS doesn't seem to make any odds to it. Ditto the world of AD. I have no doubt there will be changes to other sectors as there always has been. This is obvious given the volatile prices and difficult weather patterns we have seen over the last few years. Cereal, root or veg production may change, I don't know- these are volatile markets for which is no place for the unwary.

As I have mentioned in another thread, I believe the ministry is in discussions about suspending TB testing and just letting animals move so as to ensure continuity in the supply chain. No doubt some workable interim measures will be implemented. I do not see that interfering with the supply of beef would benefit anyone.