Will Blackburn
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- Location
- Cheshire
Didn't France ban it in non-crop situations then quickly reverse?
Can No-till /Regen Agric survive without glyphosate? if not we are DOOMED!! I think it can..
- Thread starter richard hammond
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- Location
- Spilsby Lincolnshire
More expensive than glyphosate but Cheaper than no crop, and is necessary if Glyphosate is not available! plus glyphosate only kills what is there not what may affect you later.
- Location
- somerset
a child died locally, after drinking some, thinking it was coke. Not a popular idea around here.
The issue was dozy Users decanting the stuff into alternative bottles.
You cannot legislate against stupidity.... Keep the product in a sealed original container, and surely it is no worse than many agrochems we routinely use?
Trouble is this approach seriously hit plant health and opens up to greater aphid risk etc - kind of stars to defeat the object of regenerative / no till ag
we need to aim for far less synthetics not stacking even more into systems
I think cropping maybe the key in a world without glyphosate, I reckon a crop like rye for example would out complete most grass weeds, back to a stripper headers for thicker, denser mulches etc ???
farmerm
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- Location
- Shropshire
It is relatively easy to develop a crop rotation that on paper is agronomically excellent but economically a disaster.... Market forces drive cropping decisions more than agronomics. Agronomically rye, borage or even nettles might be a great choice to include in rotations but finding a route to market at sufficient value is not so easy.
- Location
- somerset
exactly what happened, but tragic all the same, used reglone, then r-up
don't think there was any anti-dote for gram, then or now.
then r-up appeared, the ultra safe chemical, or might not be, according to whom you listen to, they must have 50yrs of data on it But then, aluminium, and asbestos, were meant to be the best things since sliced bread, and now....
Rye has a clear market now (a Brexit winner) but agree many other rotational choices are limited by economics, maybe carbon sales can fill the financial gap in the future ?
- Location
- Spilsby Lincolnshire
Rye only has a clear market until every body jumps on to the crop!!! then value crash.
- Location
- Spilsby Lincolnshire
Cropping can only go so far, organics are great in principal but will not feed the populations, Regen is not all or nothing it is a mix of what is needed to feed us.
- Location
- somerset
simple, give them what they think they want, and when availability and price restrict purchase, they will change their mind. Mind you, farmers will still get blamed, for hoarding it, till the price goes up.
feeding population is no individual farmers problem, feeding family comes above feeding the world ……. Which I will leave to Bob Geldolff and his chums
Agree regen is a far more likely solution than organic however. Which is a wonderful niche for the affluent middle classes and a great business model for a few farmers as long as it doesn’t become over supplied or default enforced by legislation
Does that mean Joe public should look for the cheapest available food source and forego the support British ag requires?
yellow belly
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- Location
- south west lincolnshire
My neighbours who do full Cultivation use more doses of roundup than I do on notill
they usually pre harvest then spray off the volunteers in early September then again pre drilling
in notill one application at drilling is all that is needed
when you rely on it you look after it one application per year
if it is banned we will find a way to farm without it
this farm was outdoor poultry under grand father in the 1940s and1950s dairying the 1950 to 1970s with spring barley and wheat then more cereals and rape in the 1980s wheat winter barley and rape all combinable since bse
now notill with 4 break crop types and cereals winter and spring and cover crops
we will adapt to whatever conditions and rules are at the time
they usually pre harvest then spray off the volunteers in early September then again pre drilling
in notill one application at drilling is all that is needed
when you rely on it you look after it one application per year
if it is banned we will find a way to farm without it
this farm was outdoor poultry under grand father in the 1940s and1950s dairying the 1950 to 1970s with spring barley and wheat then more cereals and rape in the 1980s wheat winter barley and rape all combinable since bse
now notill with 4 break crop types and cereals winter and spring and cover crops
we will adapt to whatever conditions and rules are at the time
- Location
- Oxfordshire
May be an unpopular opinion but I think glyphosate should have a litre/ha annual limit anyways.
Also should be banned as a pre harvest desiccant on at least cereals.
Also should be banned as a pre harvest desiccant on at least cereals.
- Location
- somerset
l expect a lot of them do that already.
Resistance?
Has it actually been proven 100% that glyphosate is bad for health ? Or is it the wetter ? . Even if it's not as safe as hoped is it safer than using more diesel.
Why would the manufacturer even suggest to ban the label use of it pre harvest , if there is no evidence to support it's ban
- Location
- somerset
plenty would say it is harmful, even some american courts, which have found against the manufacturers.
nothing is ever 100% safe, but r-up has been about for 50 yrs, so not a lot found out against it.
We use it, but never been entirely comfortable using it prior to harvest, or cutting grass. The knives are out for it, it is very firmly in the sights of the 'anti food' mob. So if we want to keep it available, perhaps we should be 'banned' from using it, on the 'dodgy' bits, like pre harvest, or have more controlled use of it.
It is not the science that will get it banned, it is the public's perception of it, that will cause the ban, and l for one, would prefer a tightening of the regs, rather than an outright ban.