Canno. Pick-up

[Sid]

pick up is such a lame, limp wristed, soft cock, stupid name anyway, beloved by the Yanks & Brits . . .

of course the ONLY correct term is Ute ( short for utility vehicle, which describes the concept perfectly ). After all, WE invented the idea

Ford Australia: We drive the original Ute - Ford Australia: We drive the original Ute

The humble ute was invented by Ford Australia back in the 1930s - and we drive the original. CarArticle - drive.com.au

m.drive.com.au

Pick up. It’s a stupid f**king name & makes me cringe every time someone uses it

Holden VJ V8 IIRC.
Throw the swags in the back and few boxes of VB with bottles of bundy, and the parties where ever you stop!

 

[Sid]

Cost aside - electric is just better in every respect to use

Convenient - it's got a full tank every morning when I wake up !

Performance - different galaxy to ICE, not just in terms of speed, grip, and low COG etc - it's tech so well suited to a 4x4

Reliability - Unknown yet but it's so much simpler it should be loads better, hardly any servicing to do etc

How does it actually sit environmentally with batteries and precious metals?

So imagine that you actually want to take this utility vehicle off road.
Spend a few nights, a week away in the wild and actually use the 4wd and off road capabilities. Does it have solar panels?

How do you charge this when your off grid? Rather than come out from home and use it like the Chelsea tractor that it looks like

 

[Cowabunga]

so try comparison to a 20K miles pa RR Vogue at 25 mpg and - I worked out saving when I ordered the EV pre covid etc when fuel was quite a lot more expensive as well

No broken calculator, just different parameters, last time I owned a car that could do 40 mph I was 17 !


It's a significant saving on a like for like (price bracket) new, family car


I'm sure I could have saved even more had I bought a £500 used small diesel engines car but it's hardly a comparison is it

Fuel economy has very significantly improved over the years. Forget about which fuel is used, because it is irrelevant, as is the engine swept volume, if only because you already compare apples with oranges. What matters is the size of car, the comfort and the performance you are comparing. The performance can be split into ability and speed. I'm sure that your electric car is not as able off road as the RR and the RR was not chosen for its economy at all, while the electric car certainly was. It's more like comparing onions to chocolate.

20K in an electric car would be extremely problematic considering the charging infrastructure randomly around the UK but, for the sake of argument let's say it did that. It almost certainly hasn't during the past year's lockdown, but nevertheless….

At £1.30 per litre at 25mpg, your RR will have consumed only £4750 worth of fuel. Still a very long way short of a £6000 saving. Then if doing 20k miles on electric you would inevitably use commercial charging stations where the electricity charge is quite high, in many cases as high per mile as petrol. So as a conservative estimate I would say you would spend £750 on electricity, which reduces your saving to £4000

 

[Cowabunga]

Cost aside - electric is just better in every respect to use

Convenient - it's got a full tank every morning when I wake up !

Performance - different galaxy to ICE, not just in terms of speed, grip, and low COG etc - it's tech so well suited to a 4x4

Reliability - Unknown yet but it's so much simpler it should be loads better, hardly any servicing to do etc

I agree that electric cars are superb. As long as you can charge mostly at home and not have to hunt around and wait for charging away from home.

 

[Clive]

Fuel economy has very significantly improved over the years. Forget about which fuel is used, because it is irrelevant, as is the engine swept volume, if only because you already compare apples with oranges. What matters is the size of car, the comfort and the performance you are comparing. The performance can be split into ability and speed. I'm sure that your electric car is not as able off road as the RR and the RR was not chosen for its economy at all, while the electric car certainly was. It's more like comparing onions to chocolate.

20K in an electric car would be extremely problematic considering the charging infrastructure randomly around the UK but, for the sake of argument let's say it did that. It almost certainly hasn't during the past year's lockdown, but nevertheless….

At £1.30 per litre at 25mpg, your RR will have consumed only £4750 worth of fuel. Still a very long way short of a £6000 saving. Then if doing 20k miles on electric you would inevitably use commercial charging stations where the electricity charge is quite high, in many cases as high per mile as petrol. So as a conservative estimate I would say you would spend £750 on electricity, which reduces your saving to £4000

the charging infrastructure really is a red herring when you can do over 250 miles a day you charge at home or at work, few users do more than 250 miles a day on a regular basis

Infrastructure isn't actually that bad as well, in reality, you just need to think ahead a bit, new mindset

 

[steveR]

The first Transit we bought had a max speed of 40mph. The whine from the worn diff made it impossible to go any faster.
Still did several trips from NW Wales to Bisley tho, and a couple of trips to Newcastle on Tyne as well.
Young and stupid!

Nah, more like an ulterior motive... often female in origin!

 

[sjt01]

Cost aside - electric is just better in every respect to use

Convenient - it's got a full tank every morning when I wake up !

Performance - different galaxy to ICE, not just in terms of speed, grip, and low COG etc - it's tech so well suited to a 4x4

Reliability - Unknown yet but it's so much simpler it should be loads better, hardly any servicing to do etc

Just booked the first service on our Tesla Model S, over 80,000 miles on the clock, just a change of brake fluid and check the pads. Service not required for warranty.

 

[essex man]

Cost aside - electric is just better in every respect to use

Convenient - it's got a full tank every morning when I wake up !

Performance - different galaxy to ICE, not just in terms of speed, grip, and low COG etc - it's tech so well suited to a 4x4

Reliability - Unknown yet but it's so much simpler it should be loads better, hardly any servicing to do etc

You can do 250 miles if no traffic?
If traffic bad your range is shortened?
Car needs power for lights etc when sitting still?

 

[Highland Mule]

26.9 kWh/100 km equates to 6ppm, or £1200/20k miles

You can do 250 miles if no traffic?
If traffic bad your range is shortened?
Car needs power for lights etc when sitting still?

The lights and the likes are trivial load compared to consumption. If anything, I’d expect range to increase as traffic does, as the average speed will drop, trucks will punch a hole in the air on front etc. - it certainly does with my diesel car anyway.

 

[Clive]

You can do 250 miles if no traffic?
If traffic bad your range is shortened?
Car needs power for lights etc when sitting still?

bad traffic actually extends range on a EV ! faster travel reduces range (air resistance) so yes you can easy do 250 miles in bad traffic, (280ish in fact in my particular EV, some do 350 now and 500 is apparently not far away)

 

[ollie989898]

What is the cost per mile in electricity for running a little car? I'm doing the sums on this at the minute.

 

[Cowabunga]

bad traffic actually extends range on a EV ! faster travel reduces range (air resistance) so yes you can easy do 250 miles in bad traffic, (280ish in fact in my particular EV, some do 350 now and 500 is apparently not far away)

Tesla's new larger cell batteries, which we will probably see in the German built cars first, some time this year, hold the promise of 500 miles range and, apparently, a million mile service life. Once it gets to this point and the price isn't ridiculous, I'm in.

For a second car, like a commuter car for a 20 mile round trip and a bit more, the currently available cars are just fine, even the little Honda which has a very limited range. As a second car for daily use around town and with private parking for charging every few days, why buy anything but an electric.

 

[Muck Spreader]

The first Transit we bought had a max speed of 40mph. The whine from the worn diff made it impossible to go any faster.

Sounds like a series Land Rover, except the diff didn't need to be worn.

 

[Highland Mule]

What is the cost per mile in electricity for running a little car? I'm doing the sums on this at the minute.

0.15-0.2 units per km - so roughly 1/4 to 1/6th of a frugal diesel, if you’re charging from the mains.

 

[Clive]

What is the cost per mile in electricity for running a little car? I'm doing the sums on this at the minute.

doing an average of 3 miles per KWh so far

if you get on a smart tariff like octopus you can actually be paid to take the power from the grid, there are places that offer free charging as well

 

[JP1]

I watched Oliver Walston's Against The Grain last night ad it was nice to see a sold G Wagen LHD being driven ALL over the Uk and Europe. In his smart courtyard I spied what looked like a Haflinger / Pinzgauer (old one) with no rag top or hoops

One day I really hope to have an electric small utility (like a modern day mehari) that i buy for £6k from an up to now unheard of Indian manufacturer

Until then I'll carry on putting £20 a time in my old Defender for farm towing and find other economical and comfortable (diesel) modes of transport for the rest of the time

 

[ollie989898]

doing an average of 3 miles per KWh so far

if you get on a smart tariff like octopus you can actually be paid to take the power from the grid, there are places that offer free charging as well

Did you need a charger installed on the wall? I'm only going to buy a Renault Zoe or Nissan Leaf type thing. Without checking I presume our incoming supply and consumer unit is a vanilla 100 amps max job. I have a perfect location for the charger on the wall I'm just more concerned about how they get the juice to it.

 

[warksfarmer]

A Rivan electric pickup alternative?

Looks like a piece of s**t to me. I’d prefer a LR 90 and that’s saying a lot because I hate them as well.

 

[sjt01]

Did you need a charger installed on the wall? I'm only going to buy a Renault Zoe or Nissan Leaf type thing. Without checking I presume our incoming supply and consumer unit is a vanilla 100 amps max job. I have a perfect location for the charger on the wall I'm just more concerned about how they get the juice to it.

Rules have changed recently for chargers, on a domestic installation you now have to get DNO permission but with a 100A incomer fuse there should be no problem. The Zoe will take 3 phase, so you can get some really quick on-farm charging if necessary. The Tesla HPWC is probably the best value 3 phase, but for single phase there are many options. Using the 13A "granny charger" is OK for occasional use, but not recommended for every day.

 

[warksfarmer]

I’d love to go elec but having just changed 3 vehicles I can’t make it stack up on any one of them.
For example with a SUV the lease price on the diesel version £414/month + vat. The elec version £875/month + vat. Over 3 years that’s £16,600 + vat more the elec will cost to have on the drive.
Got a £1,000 bill to get 3 phase to the house for faster charging. One off but still another £1k to go green!

Fuel wise the diesel version does 35mpg so on 15k miles per year that’s 428 gallons or 1900 litres is £2185 + vat. That adds £182/month to the lease price bring the total monthly cost to £596/month.

Then there’s the cost of the electricity to charge the elec car. It’s not free. It’s actually 15p/kWh day rate and 11p/kWh night rate. What would 15,000 miles per year cost?