By accident, the EU came up with an exceedingly good idea. Cap farm payments at £50k.
Mr Gove, was due to follow suit.
Now he's changed his mind.
Shame.
Mr Gove, was due to follow suit.
Now he's changed his mind.
Shame.
cap the CAP
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I suppose if the cap fits you would want to wear it
Grassman
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I agree but how?
Big farms would just become numerous smaller farms sharing the infrastructure.
They've always been very keen on using base years in the past......
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My view is if a man has the drive and ambition and courage to get on why kill him in the balls and give it to a lazy stay sit it the houser
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yea whos it going to be hit hardest ? NT , Natural England , RSPB, bet they had a team on the case from day one , getting that one dropped, You only have to see the way gove is being steered to see whos hes listening to and it certainly isnt farmers.
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It'll surely sit better with the general public knowing the likes of the NT, and Duke of Westminster aren't receiving millions.
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May be but £50,000 , must be a lot of forward thinking farmers above that .it woukd not pay their diesel bill , or did you mean £500 000
No, I really meant £5k, but that would have caused uproar.
Don't forget the average wage in Blighty is £27k. How can we justify getting more than that ?
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Your not a worker on an average wage you run a business , if you don't think farm businesses should get support then stop it .Don't single some out for in a lot of cases envy
Lazy Sod
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Because BPS is not a social security payment.
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did not lose their population and hence their social structure. I would think that the best way to do
that would be a system based on a reducing rate per acre i.e first 150 acres = highest rate,
151 - 250 acres @ 50% of the high rate, 251-350 acres only 25% of the high rate. Above 350 acres
you should have economies of scale working in your favour. Taking into account the details of
acreage that have been supplied over the last few years, they could pick any base year to start with.
I always thought that the whole point of the CAP was to maintain small farms, so that rural areas
did not lose their population and hence their social structure. I would think that the best way to do
that would be a system based on a reducing rate per acre i.e first 150 acres = highest rate,
151 - 250 acres @ 50% of the high rate, 251-350 acres only 25% of the high rate. Above 350 acres
you should have economies of scale working in your favour. Taking into account the details of
acreage that have been supplied over the last few years, they could pick any base year to start with.
I certainly agree with that system. I also think the payment should go directly to those who are actively farming the land, not the landlord etc, though I get that the payment going to landlord might be reflected in the rent amount.
The thing is, public perception is important to getting overall support IMO. When Joe Public see a big arable farmer driving around in a Range Rover, check out the farm subsidy website and see they're receiving maybe a 6 figure sum a year in support while probably sitting on millions in assets, you can see why they might object. (That's obviously a sterotypical example). So I do think it's important to try and justify it to the public, after all, they're the customer and the taxpayer.
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In most cases the public are not your customers
Is it possible that his "u" turn is due to the amount of money he can save or redirect in his chosen direction especially in light of recent announcements committing to the nhs , modulating the payment per hectare nationally might be much cheaper than setting a max claim size per business ?
wasn't the number rumoured £100K ?
Much as I don't agree with subs I do think they have to be consistent - either scrap them completely or keep them, you cant advantage one farmer over another
Northeastfarmer
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It should be capped at the national average wage....we’re not special
I don’t know one or two on here are special
Fallowfield
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If subsidies are good for farming, would they not be equally good for other industries?
Northeastfarmer
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Other industries get them?