cap the CAP

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Why not its been like that before

as dyson said on Countryfile if our competitors are subsidized and we are not then its impossible to compete

either subsidise everyone the same or don't subsidise anyone at all (I prefer the latter)


big or small it make bugger all difference other than jealousy which is a pretty rubbish thing to base sound decision on

in the interest of disclosure a cap wouldn't have any effect on my business as most of the area I farm is contract farmed and we don't claim the sub on any of that, various landowners who are mostly below the proposed cap claim the sub so would be mostly unaffected as well

If anyone thinks that a cap will mean no big farm businesses they are VERY mistaken, it will have the opposite effect and giant contract farming business will be formed farming multiple max cap holdings
 

capfits

Member
It should be capped at the national average wage....we’re not special
So for each employee?
Business owner?
Each business?

Those of us that have grown our businesses and are now exceeding the proposed cap limits have taken the time to roll the dice and grow our businesses instead of taking the foreign holidays , and flash cars.
In my own circumstances our own business would be heavily penalised if brought in particularly at the lower limit circa £50000.
Yet our vertically integrated business support ten households fulltime seven of which are partners innsaid business.
If you want to cut the payments same percentage for the "wee guys" as the "big guys"
If you want to start to improve your own situation think more collaboratively, parish farming, vertical production, but more importantly what the market actually is looking for.
What is more if you are no happy hand your payment back to government.
 
Location
Cleveland
So for each employee?
Business owner?
Each business?

Those of us that have grown our businesses and are now exceeding the proposed cap limits have taken the time to roll the dice and grow our businesses instead of taking the foreign holidays , and flash cars.
In my own circumstances our own business would be heavily penalised if brought in particularly at the lower limit circa £50000.
Yet our vertically integrated business support ten households fulltime seven of which are partners innsaid business.
If you want to cut the payments same percentage for the "wee guys" as the "big guys"
If you want to start to improve your own situation think more collaboratively, parish farming, vertical production, but more importantly what the market actually is looking for.
What is more if you are no happy hand your payment back to government.
I could farm without it...could you?
 

7610 super q

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
you lot arguing for a cap on farm subs because you're jealous of your neighbour......and I'll wager the cap you are in favour of is at, or slightly above your payment. why don't you all stop worrying about what tractor your neighbour drives, or the colour of his gilet, or the size of his sub, and concentrate on your own life.
I'm not worrying about what my neighbour gets in subs, I'm worried by how little they sell their produce for, because they have a safety net.
Niche markets ( a phrase used on here almost as much as jealousy ) are pretty hopeless when your competitors have an unfair advantage.
 

Grain Buyer

Member
Location
Omnipresent
niche markets are just that. They exist due to specialisms, be that technology, knowledge or perceived value. are your competitors foreign farmers exporting into your market or is it a neighbour? Once it's down to out and out price, your product is no longer a niche, and becomes a commodity.
 

milkloss

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
Don’t know what you’re all worrying about. Sucklers is a hugely profitable enterprise and I don’t need the subs at all. In fact I’m burying money into pensions, machinery and new cars as fast as possible to get it away from the taxman.

If you need the subs you’re just doing it all wrong, I can’t wait until pocket money day turns up every Christmas!!


















I said it before some other deluded fool does :banghead:
 

capfits

Member
I could farm without it...could you?
Yes I could farm without, doubtful if it would be a worthwhile living though.
What is more I think half the posters on this forum would be out on their arse.
A lot of suppliers would be knackered aswell they will be the ones that really suffer, we can change.
So good for big gander good for small gander surely?
While we are at it what about capping say FITs, pension rebates, housing benefit, tax credits to business etc?
 

deere 6600

Member
Mixed Farmer
Maybe I'm wrong subsidies I think we're to give Mrs blogs cheap food and give Mr farmer a living if subs go I don't care how big or efficient you are a lot of present run farming businesses aren't goin to last .so import food or sub agriculture
 

Hampton

Member
BASIS
Location
Shropshire
wasn't the number rumoured £100K ?


Much as I don't agree with subs I do think they have to be consistent - either scrap them completely or keep them, you cant advantage one farmer over another
My personal belief is that they should have been cut per acre and capped at £100k. I would consider that fair.
I think he has bottled a very big decision.
He claimed that big and small farms agreed on this issue which I think is bollicks. many large farms are using the subsidy to fund expansion whilst, which doesn't make them efficient.
I believe that if a subsidy cheque comes to more than the cost of a house, then that is too much, as it is not subsidising, it is monetising a business.
 

Hampton

Member
BASIS
Location
Shropshire
you lot arguing for a cap on farm subs because you're jealous of your neighbour......and I'll wager the cap you are in favour of is at, or slightly above your payment. why don't you all stop worrying about what tractor your neighbour drives, or the colour of his gilet, or the size of his sub, and concentrate on your own life.
Not at all. I actually get a very decent bps cheque and having spoken to many Ag economists and agricultural bank managers KNOW that most businesses are highly dependent on it. I do however believe that in the same way that local council bosses shouldn't earn more than the prime minister, we as farmers, should not be receiving cheques worth hundreds of thousands of pounds per year just because we know how to play the system.
I thought larger businesses were supposed to be more efficient? That what Andersons and grant Thornton have been telling us for 20 years.
One statement about capping subsidy and suddenly they are only efficient because of the subsidy cheque!
 

Hampton

Member
BASIS
Location
Shropshire
So for each employee?
Business owner?
Each business?

Those of us that have grown our businesses and are now exceeding the proposed cap limits have taken the time to roll the dice and grow our businesses instead of taking the foreign holidays , and flash cars.
In my own circumstances our own business would be heavily penalised if brought in particularly at the lower limit circa £50000.
Yet our vertically integrated business support ten households fulltime seven of which are partners innsaid business.
If you want to cut the payments same percentage for the "wee guys" as the "big guys"
If you want to start to improve your own situation think more collaboratively, parish farming, vertical production, but more importantly what the market actually is looking for.
What is more if you are no happy hand your payment back to government.
It seems that mr gove was initially thinking of grants to help set up changes like you have made. These would have been one off grants to help make a business more profitable in the future. Why is your business so good and how have you taken risks if your business success is so linked to subsidies?
Just to be clear, we receive BPS, and it's significant to my business so I'm not trying to claim I don't need or want it.
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

  • 0 %

    Votes: 80 42.1%
  • Up to 25%

    Votes: 67 35.3%
  • 25-50%

    Votes: 30 15.8%
  • 50-75%

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • 75-100%

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • 100% I’ve had enough of farming!

    Votes: 7 3.7%

Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

  • 1,294
  • 1
As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
Top