Capital grants distort markets ?

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
New thread started / post moved following the DEFRA SFI q&a thread where Janet Hughes says that defra can’t find evidence of capital grants distortIng market prices

any one with examples ?
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Someone on here said they were quoted for some dairy equipment (cluster flush?) pre grants, didn't pursue it, then hey presto, after grant available, enquired again and price had gone up by 40%.

I was paying £55 for extra heat detection collars pre grant post grant they want £90.

both these answers sound like evidence


im pretty sure direct drill prices took a jump as well when eligible
 

Bullring

Member
Location
Cornwall
How can they set a price when steel is jumping up In price weekly, you may agree to buy something when the grants come out but not see it for 3-4 months if your lucky with the supply chain and by then it could have gone up 30% and you 40% grant will be nearer 10%. The prices I’ve seen on the welsh grant scheme don’t even resemble the true cost of something, the figure they come up with is even less than the old countryside productivity in England.

For example a hydraulic squeeze crush was 40% of £10500 2 years ago on the English grant scheme and now on the Welsh scheme today it’s 40% of £7600. A hydraulic crush to buy today without grant scheme is £16500 after discount. Where do they get their figures from?
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
How can they set a price when steel is jumping up In price weekly, you may agree to buy something when the grants come out but not see it for 3-4 months if your lucky with the supply chain and by then it could have gone up 30% and you 40% grant will be nearer 10%. The prices I’ve seen on the welsh grant scheme don’t even resemble the true cost of something, the figure they come up with is even less than the old countryside productivity in England.

For example a hydraulic squeeze crush was 40% of £10500 2 years ago on the English grant scheme and now on the Welsh scheme today it’s 40% of £7600. A hydraulic crush to buy today without grant scheme is £16500 after discount. Where do they get their figures from?
Said it before will say it again,

We need Index linked payments
SFI
Productivity
CSS.
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
The have employed a consultantcy firm on 500k a year to do a research study and found Farmer Joe has over claimed for an extra linch pin on a machine he bough and deducted 5% of his £6000 BPS claim

Was I right in hearing that the lynchpin was due to be delivered with the machine but it got nicked by someone when on display at LAMMA show so never made it to the farm?

I head that the satellite picked up this non-conformance and it couldn’t be rectified by the dealer because each pin (and every individual part on the machine) was engraved and barcoded with a serial number as required in the grant terms and conditions…..so any other pin would just not be the pin for that machine.
 

Jackov Altraids

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
How exactly have DEFRA tried to “find evidence”?

I'm guessing they looked at the RRP's in brochures, before and after grants had been introduced and they hadn't changed much.

What they didn't realise was that the RRP's are normally discounted by upto 50% but any discount disappears during times when grants are available.
 

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