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I see that Gove is to set out the maximum support payment in January.
What are everyone’s thoughts on what level this should be?
What are everyone’s thoughts on what level this should be?
Just above what I claimI see that Gove is to set out the maximum support payment in January.
What are everyone’s thoughts on what level this should be?
1.5k be fantastic ????150k sounds about right?
Whatever the system, there will always be people who 'play' it to their own advantage, but as the government already know how many holdings are claiming, surely they won't be so naive as to let them be split up to form multiple claims.many farms will become 3 claims father mother and son /daughter will each claim on a 1/3 of the farm
many farms will become 3 claims father mother and son /daughter will each claim on a 1/3 of the farm
the larger estates may make more land available to rent thus collecting the same amount of money
the farm manager becomes a farmer on half the land and then contracts over the remaining land
restricting land owners from letting lad would be very unpopular with tenanted sector
I see that Gove is to set out the maximum support payment in January.
What are everyone’s thoughts on what level this should be?
The reason it is capped is to reflect the economic reality of economies of scale, and the political reality that underpins European taxpayers' willingness to fund it.Why should it be capped? The purpose of subsidies is cheap food on supermarket shelves? Why should the farmer producing more food below the cost of production be penalised?
Will depend on how and if RPA (assuming it is still the administrative agency) enforces the Single Business rules - again assuming same applies post Brexit. These rules were designed to prevent multiple claims. Not really applied seriously in UK previously but might provide the means for Defra to prevent splitting of businesses to maximise individual claims.
Either way if serious capping is introduced there will be work for our triumvirate of professional friends the solicitors / land agents / accountants.
On a different point, I suspect that the OP is mistaken to believe that there will be any farm support payments to cap if/when the UK diverges from the CAP. The crucial question for UK farms isn't farm support (enjoy it while you may, it may be on the way out) but the applicability of the Customs Union.
Quite why some UK farmers salivate at the prospect of losing financial support mystifies me - the best suggestions I can arrive at is spite or myopia.
I have listened to farmers giving vent to their spite at others, often more enterprising or merely more fortunate than themselves, who qualify for large CAP payments; just as I have listened to other farmers showing complete ignorance about important agricultural policies. What I have yet to hear, despite looking for it, is any logical reason why a UK farmer would wish to end farm supports.
Even Minette Batters, famously pro 'leave', now accepts that the UK farm sector has serious difficulties in prospect - her prediction (ceteris paribus) is that 75% of UK farms in some sectors (baa, moo) will go out of business for all practical purposes.
I think that my initial reaction (helpfully recorded for posterity in the FG letters section) is that English farmers have put their ideological preferences ahead of their business interests.
I agree but will they stop landowners letting land to a tenant who was the farm manager or wife or son and they then claim on their behalf
they cannot stop machinery and labour sharing or contractors doing work for claimants
most farms I know have potential to divide the land between partners and managers even the big estates have brother sister and father who are beneficiary of the trust with a farm manager the land let to one farm business
this could become 4 tenant farms with a machinery sharing contract the larger estates would find it easy to do as they have a number of farm building sites
the large farming cos who farm by fbt would also contract farm with individual land owners