Carbon Credits what value ?

westwards

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There are a lot of people in the Dairy industry with their eye on the milk producers land and ability to capture carbon.
Just what is the real value of Carbon Credits ? Can we trade them ? will we get shafted or get the true value of them.
 

farmerm

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Location
Shropshire
Emperors new clothes.... No dairy farm has the capacity to provide sufficient carbon capture services to offset their own carbon emissions and the manufacture and transport of the inputs such as nitrogen, machinery, transport, concrete on which they depend. Those that sell the carbon capture services notion conveniently ignore the truth that you need to offset not only your own emissions but also take on board those of your suppliers before you have any carbon storage surplus to sell to other industries. Its nothing more than greenwash and wealth redistribution.
 

dairyrow

Member
Businesses are just buying land. Use the grant system to plant trees and claim the carbon capture off that. Telling the farming neighbours it's their responsibility to fence their stock out of the woods.

I will say alot of carbon schemes don't take into account the trees and hedges on your farm. It's more based on how intensive you can get it. How many litres, forage yields and machinery and building costs aren't a consideration.
 

bigw

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Location
Scotland
Emperors new clothes.... No dairy farm has the capacity to provide sufficient carbon capture services to offset their own carbon emissions and the manufacture and transport of the inputs such as nitrogen, machinery, transport, concrete on which they depend. Those that sell the carbon capture services notion conveniently ignore the truth that you need to offset not only your own emissions but also take on board those of your suppliers before you have any carbon storage surplus to sell to other industries. Its nothing more than greenwash and wealth redistribution.

Why should we have to offset all our suppliers emissions?
 

farmerm

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Location
Shropshire
Why should we have to offset all our suppliers emissions?
:banghead: Well it works like this... either our industry offsets our suppliers emissions first or we pay more for the products which we consume in order that our suppliers can make the investments to cut or offset their emissions elsewhere. One way or another the burden of carbon reduction costs will fall on the back of the consumer buying the product be that flights and TVs or products like nitrogen, ag chemicals, steel or concrete....
 

bigw

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Location
Scotland
:banghead: Well it works like this... either our industry offsets our suppliers emissions first or we pay more for the products which we consume in order that our suppliers can make the investments to cut or offset their emissions elsewhere. One way or another the burden of carbon reduction costs will fall on the back of the consumer buying the product be that flights and TVs or products like nitrogen, ag chemicals, steel or concrete....

Surely the consumer will have to stand 100% of the cost of everything they consume then which isnt going to happen. We hold alot of the assets industry is going to need to offset carbon in the future but farmers need to tread very carefully as we are likely going to get rolled over and stuffed as usual if we get it wrong.
 

frederick

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Location
south west
Surely the consumer will have to stand 100% of the cost of everything they consume then which isnt going to happen. We hold alot of the assets industry is going to need to offset carbon in the future but farmers need to tread very carefully as we are likely going to get rolled over and stuffed as usual if we get it wrong.
Ultimately the consumer has to pay.
Our risk is they may decide not to purchase dairy because the cost is too high.
Yesterday's report flagging up methane won't help.
 

farmerm

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Location
Shropshire
Surely the consumer will have to stand 100% of the cost of everything they consume then which isnt going to happen. We hold alot of the assets industry is going to need to offset carbon in the future but farmers need to tread very carefully as we are likely going to get rolled over and stuffed as usual if we get it wrong.
We don’t have sufficient assets to offset the emissions from other industries! If we are honest in our calculations we can barely offset those carbon emissions directly related to food production!
 
Location
cumbria
There was a thread a month or so ago where Clive was selling his.
Not ofsetting, just the sequestration of the growing crop.
I think the notion that we are responsible for our own carbon and that of our suppliers has merit unfortunately 😥

There is also a dairy or 2 that pay a bonus for reducing your carbon footprint YOY.
 

farmerm

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Location
Shropshire
There was a thread a month or so ago where Clive was selling his.
Not ofsetting, just the sequestration of the growing crop.
I think the notion that we are responsible for our own carbon and that of our suppliers has merit unfortunately 😥

There is also a dairy or 2 that pay a bonus for reducing your carbon footprint YOY.
Of course it has merit, we are all responsible as individuals and businesses for our own direct emissions and the emissions in producing the goods and services which we consume. Any cost to business for reducing or offsetting emissions ultimately works down the line into the price paid for the good or service consumed.

Above ground biomass in a growing crop is not carbon sequestration it is merely rapid carbon cycling.... a typical full grown human will have "sequestered" about 16kg in of carbon, more if obese... perhaps we should start paying people to have more babies!
 

LTH

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Livestock Farmer
Its a joke in my opinion, much like most of the stuff which has been proposed to make the UK Carbon neutral. All it allows is for companies in industries like aviation to carry on doing what they are doing, and at the same time make money out of it. As a result planet continues to become even more f**ked and be people in industries like agriculture which will feel the brunt of it not the CEO of Jet2
 

frederick

Member
Location
south west
So has methane increased?
Answer: No, it’s part of a closed loop within the carbon cycle. If memory serves me right 12 years.
Another bit of pointless rubbish from climate change turkeys with an agenda.
I agree with your cycle and minimal nett impact.
The serious thing that has happened this week is that it's been decided that since methane is so bad if we can reduce that significantly there is more room left for co2 to grow.
It maybe a case that nett zero for dairy may no longer be good enough.
The potential plus side is a methane credit should be worth 28-34 times the value of a co2 credit for the next 100years.
So reducing your cows output by culling them and then using the land to capture carbon might become profitable.
 
I agree with your cycle and minimal nett impact.
The serious thing that has happened this week is that it's been decided that since methane is so bad if we can reduce that significantly there is more room left for co2 to grow.
It maybe a case that nett zero for dairy may no longer be good enough.
The potential plus side is a methane credit should be worth 28-34 times the value of a co2 credit for the next 100years.
So reducing your cows output by culling them and then using the land to capture carbon might become profitable.
As I said on another thread, if the government pay me £400 cow per year over the next 10 years I will shut all the gates and let nature take the job on.
 

vantage

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Location
Pembs
I agree with your cycle and minimal nett impact.
The serious thing that has happened this week is that it's been decided that since methane is so bad if we can reduce that significantly there is more room left for co2 to grow.
It maybe a case that nett zero for dairy may no longer be good enough.
The potential plus side is a methane credit should be worth 28-34 times the value of a co2 credit for the next 100years.
So reducing your cows output by culling them and then using the land to capture carbon might become profitable.
If we culled all the cows in the UK , it wouldn’t have the slightest effect, most methane comes from wetlands, perhaps they’re going to cap those over as well, oh almost forgot, all the rubbish landfill as well!
 

Update on the Sustainable Farming Incentive pilot

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Update on the Sustainable Farming Incentive pilot

Written by Lisa Applin

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In July, we opened the applications window for farmers to join our Sustainable Farming Incentive pilot.

The Sustainable Farming Incentive is 1 of the 3 new environmental land management schemes. It sits alongside the future Local Nature Recovery and Landscape Recovery schemes.

Through the Sustainable Farming Incentive, farmers will be paid for environmentally sustainable actions – ones that are simple to do and do not require previous agri-environment scheme experience.

We are piloting the scheme to...
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