Carbon Neutral vs Heat Neutral atmosphere.

[ollie989898]

The increased addition of fresh water to the oceans will eventually interfere with ocean currents which may change weather patterns in many years to come.

 

[DaveGrohl]

Two resources which caught my eye recently,also have a scientific explanation.Differences in pole to equator temps being less means less extreme weather events and warming is more evident in the winter over the pole.

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I can’t usually be @rsed to make any comments about whether climate change is a thing or not, mainly because I understand that we really haven’t a clue how big our role is in the grand scheme of things.

But we are constantly being bombarded these days by "unprecedented" weather reports from all over the world by a media industry that is geared towards reporting these events at every single opportunity. They’ve only recently been doing this. Hence the entire world believes what they’re being told by the media. What the media tell us and what are actual unarguable facts became separated quite a while ago. Your dotted red line above would tend to indicate a rather large helping of hysteria from the media in this respect, and that’s only 20 years of weather disasters. Just try watching 5 mins of Sky’s evening climate change show without wanting to put your foot through the telly.

I’m much more interested in what the politicians do about "events" through their policies and just how far away from basic common sense/understanding they are willing to go to pacify a media industry that has completely lost its mind over climate change. Stuff like methane from ruminants, rewilding, Ryanair claiming to be net zero, Drax being subsidised for importing forests from Canada etc…….

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Interesting graphs.
A serious question, how do scientists get the data from up to 350,000 years ago etc to enable them to draw up the above graphs?
As said a serious question and I am not being sarcastic.

Generally from ice cores. There are bubbles in them containing the air from the time when the ice formed. Some cores in Antarctica go back nearly 500,000 years, the ice is that old!

 

[Pilatus]

Generally from ice cores. There are bubbles in them containing the air from the time when the ice formed. Some cores in Antarctica go back nearly 500,000 years, the ice is that old!

Thanks for the , do you know how far they drill down to get ice 500,000yrs old .?

 

[ollie989898]

Thanks for the , do you know how far they drill down to get ice 500,000yrs old .?

The ice sheet on Antarctica is between 2 and 5 KM in depth.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Thanks for the , do you know how far they drill down to get ice 500,000yrs old .?

The EPICA ice cores go back about 800,000 years https://www.beyondepica.eu/en/history/epica-1999-2008/

They are now working on a new set to go back up to 1,500,000 years. https://www.beyondepica.eu/en/history/be-oi-2016-2019/

 

[Pistonbroke]

I can’t usually be @rsed to make any comments about whether climate change is a thing or not, mainly because I understand that we really haven’t a clue how big our role is in the grand scheme of things.

But we are constantly being bombarded these days by "unprecedented" weather reports from all over the world by a media industry that is geared towards reporting these events at every single opportunity. They’ve only recently been doing this. Hence the entire world believes what they’re being told by the media. What the media tell us and what are actual unarguable facts became separated quite a while ago. Your dotted red line above would tend to indicate a rather large helping of hysteria from the media in this respect, and that’s only 20 years of weather disasters. Just try watching 5 mins of Sky’s evening climate change show without wanting to put your foot through the telly.

I’m much more interested in what the politicians do about "events" through their policies and just how far away from basic common sense/understanding they are willing to go to pacify a media industry that has completely lost its mind over climate change. Stuff like methane from ruminants, rewilding, Ryanair claiming to be net zero, Drax being subsidised for importing forests from Canada etc…….

A 600 plus acre hill farm covered in molinia grass,bogs and rubbish has just sold near here for a rumoured ,£7,000,000 to an investment firm to lease the carbon credits to airlines. There is no change in the amount of carbon dioxide in the air either side of the sale,so it's all a load of bolox. Just out of interest,the place was bought for £500,000 by the last owner.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

A 600 plus acre hill farm covered in molinia grass,bogs and rubbish has just sold near here for a rumoured ,£7,000,000 to an investment firm to lease the carbon credits to airlines. There is no change in the amount of carbon dioxide in the air either side of the sale,so it's all a load of bolox. Just out of interest,the place was bought for £500,000 by the last owner.

How are they going to justify THAT one? Where will the "additionality" come from?

 

[Pistonbroke]

How are they going to justify THAT one? Where will the "additionality" come from?

Sorry, it's not something I have looked into so I don't know how it all works . Most places seem to be planting trees but I'm sure this place had a lot of restrictions on it before it was sold, possibly a glastir contract.

 

[DaveGrohl]

A 600 plus acre hill farm covered in molinia grass,bogs and rubbish has just sold near here for a rumoured ,£7,000,000 to an investment firm to lease the carbon credits to airlines. There is no change in the amount of carbon dioxide in the air either side of the sale,so it's all a load of bolox. Just out of interest,the place was bought for £500,000 by the last owner.

Well, fair play to the previous owner, why wouldn’t they be giggling at that increase? But as for the rest? Welcome to the madhouse. What a time to be alive.

 

[Pistonbroke]

Well, fair play to the previous owner, why wouldn’t they be giggling at that increase? But as for the rest? Welcome to the madhouse. What a time to be alive.

It's like the emperor's new clothes. They're not actually buying anything,just documents I suppose.

 

[DaveGrohl]

How are they going to justify THAT one? Where will the "additionality" come from?

Do they even need to infer additionality? Doesn’t sound like an airline has bought it, the investment firm can tell the airlines any old cobblers in exchange for a nice consideration. We have a carbon sink which you can lease a bit of us and we’ll give you a little certificate that says you’re a good boy.

 

[DaveGrohl]

It is the emperor's new clothes. They're not actually buying anything,just documents I suppose.

FTFY

 

[Ffermer Bach]

As above, the world has about the lowest carbon floating about for the last 250 million years, the Sahara used to be a green place then, Hmm, these desserts are expanding these days. the Earths orbit is the nub of the matter, it has a 40,000 years wobble and within that a 10,000 years wobble, also the sun is expanding as the hydrogen burns off and it will eventually grow that large it will gobble us up. All very easy to find actual facts,BUT these do not sell news stories as not doom and gloom.
Yes, the world is going to pott but only because there are too many people living on it today.
Think it has been said there is as many people alive on the earth today, as all of those that have died since man began, or something like that.

I pride myself on not being a sheep or a lemming

I think deserts are expanding, not due to global warming, but due to the way we are farming or using the land, that encourages desertification and mucks up the local water cycles.