Carlisle Beltex sale

[Purli R]

A tup down on his fetlocks isn’t worth a crap. Nor are the ones that bounce on their hocks as they walk around. Might be alright in a Croft with 10 ewes. But not in a commercial setting of 1:40/1:50 in bunches of 150 ewes plus.

And the BFL isn’t for producing fat lambs… mule wethers are a byproduct

Correctamundo, Why would anybody buy something structually unsound? Wonder how long before the first complaints???

 

[MJT]

I tend to agree but given the number of correct sheep unsold at 300 quid and the number of tups at a grand or more with glaring faults the sale seems skewed somehow. Do folk actually want to be seen to spend a certain amount on a tup and fear being seen to buy a cheaper one?

I thought this watching a bit of the live stream, some cracking looking mobile tups that weren’t just waddling around the ring and that looked like they could serve a serious amount of ewes went unsold, compared to the stuffed looking things panting like hell from walking from pen to ring that were all well over £1500

 

[neilo]

I tend to agree but given the number of correct sheep unsold at 300 quid and the number of tups at a grand or more with glaring faults the sale seems skewed somehow. Do folk actually want to be seen to spend a certain amount on a tup and fear being seen to buy a cheaper one?

I did read a bit on a thread here the other day, discussing what you needed to pay to buy a decent tup. What you pay, or are seen to pay, is a very important attribute.
Unfortunately it’s got very low heritability though, unless you find another mug that can’t judge stock themselves.

 

[neilo]

It's a 4-way share. I know 1 of the buyers

‘Chindales’ making a splash to help with the launch?

 

[dogandstick]

I thought this watching a bit of the live stream, some cracking looking mobile tups that weren’t just waddling around the ring and that looked like they could serve a serious amount of ewes went unsold, compared to the stuffed looking things panting like hell from walking from pen to ring that were all well over £1500

Like everything else in the world it’s all going wrong at the moment. Emperors’ new clothes and blind leading the blind comes to mind.
Major reset required.

 

[AftonShepherd]

‘Chindales’ making a splash to help with the launch?

Chindale needs medication for a week if he accidentally bids 1% of that!

 

[Nithsdale]

‘Chindales’ making a splash to help with the launch?

Certainly not. It went to a lesser known breeder within the area.

With my contacts and exposure to the very top tier of UK sheep farmers, through TFF, I won't ever need to play with buying the big priced tups to ask big prices for my stock

Chindale needs medication for a week if he accidentally bids 1% of that!

Just a week? 1% would be about my entire limit for a tup never mind 1 bid

 

[Longlowdog]

If paying to play with the big boys worked there would be a lot more happy new entrants to the world of pedigree sheep. I'm pretty sure if you went through the catalogue you could find lots of entries with dams and sires worth 10 grand or more selling for minimum upset or unsold breaking the hearts of new breeders. Ask me how I know if you haven't seen me wearing the t-shirt having been there and done that.

 

[BAF]

If paying to play with the big boys worked there would be a lot more happy new entrants to the world of pedigree sheep. I'm pretty sure if you went through the catalogue you could find lots of entries with dams and sires worth 10 grand or more selling for minimum upset or unsold breaking the hearts of new breeders. Ask me how I know if you haven't seen me wearing the t-shirt having been there and done that.

My old gran used to reckon and I do believe her that in the world of showing - sheep, pigs, horses etc - that the big boys could walk into the ring with an empty halter and still win the class.
I like to think I've got a good eye for buying stock and if I'm at a sale for whatever I'll have picked a few lots out on paper, then pick out a few lots in the flesh and see if they match up. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't but often the ones on paper will still go for big money especially if they're being sold by one of the big boys even though the one that's not got perhaps the same pretty pedigree or is being sold by an unknown, like me, is actually the better sheep.

 

[dogandstick]

My old gran used to reckon and I do believe her that in the world of showing - sheep, pigs, horses etc - that the big boys could walk into the ring with an empty halter and still win the class.
I like to think I've got a good eye for buying stock and if I'm at a sale for whatever I'll have picked a few lots out on paper, then pick out a few lots in the flesh and see if they match up. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't but often the ones on paper will still go for big money especially if they're being sold by one of the big boys even though the one that's not got perhaps the same pretty pedigree or is being sold by an unknown, like me, is actually the better sheep.

It's all a game, bit like football. Not all the top priced players deliver in that sport either.

 

[liammogs]

Got a friend that will buy on a pedigree alone.......and tells me it's got a good dam line or sire etc

Baffles me, iv always been taught since we were old enough to understand, (I find myself muttering it at times)

The pedigree papers are only as good as the animal it stands behind!!

Or buy with your eyes the papers are a bonus dad used to say

 

[neilo]

Got a friend that will buy on a pedigree alone.......and tells me it's got a good dam line or sire etc

Baffles me, iv always been taught since we were old enough to understand, (I find myself muttering it at times)

The pedigree papers are only as good as the animal it stands behind!!

Or buy with your eyes the papers are a bonus dad used to say

There’s a lot that must be doing that, going by the trade on et lambs out of ewe lambs. Some I’ve seen would have been very ordinary sheep if they hadn’t had so much pudding, but papers say they were bred from a ewe that made £x, by a ram that made £y.

A good ‘breeder’s’ ram has to have both imo. I’m not interested in a tidy looking sheep that has a pedigree featuring any ‘run a mile’ sheep…. unless it’s a very cheap punt, which almost always goes on to disappoint.

 

[liammogs]

There’s a lot that must be doing that, going by the trade on et lambs out of ewe lambs. Some I’ve seen would have been very ordinary sheep if they hadn’t had so much pudding, but papers say they were bred from a ewe that made £x, by a ram that made £y.

A good ‘breeder’s’ ram has to have both imo. I’m not interested in a tidy looking sheep that has a pedigree featuring any ‘run a mile’ sheep…. unless it’s a very cheap punt, which almost always goes on to disappoint.

In the market for a new stock tup this year, looked at the welshpool catalogue.....lot of tups with similar breeding should be interesting

 

[Agrivator]

At the Carlisle Beltex sale, an ET tup made 20,000 gns. His full brother in the same pen at the same sale made 1000 gns. That often happens.

Why is that?

 

[glensman]

At the Carlisle Beltex sale, an ET tup made 20,000 gns. His full brother in the same pen at the same sale made 1000 gns. That often happens.

Why is that?

Two people wanted the one whose eyes were trying to escape from it's face.

 

[Longlowdog]

I've often said to folk trying to buy their way to success in the breed to take a punt on the 'full brother to the megabucks tup'. It looks almost as good as the expensive one in next years catalogue. There is just the same chance they will throw good lambs as plenty of expensive tups never have offspring in future catalogues and plenty of cut price brothers go on to do well.

 

[unlacedgecko]

A tup down on his fetlocks isn’t worth a crap. Nor are the ones that bounce on their hocks as they walk around. Might be alright in a Croft with 10 ewes. But not in a commercial setting of 1:40/1:50 in bunches of 150 ewes plus.

And the BFL isn’t for producing fat lambs… mule wethers are a byproduct

I'd expect a commercial ram to do double that as a 2 tooth or older.

 

[neilo]

I'd expect a commercial ram to do double that as a 2 tooth or older.

Oi, this thread’s about Beltexes. Don’t you go throwing imaginary numbers about.

 

[andyt87]

Oi, this thread’s about Beltexes. Don’t you go throwing imaginary numbers about.

Getting a beltex to 4t you mean?

 

[unlacedgecko]

Oi, this thread’s about Beltexes. Don’t you go throwing imaginary numbers about.

Someone further up said beltex cost twice as much and last half as long as a normal ram.

Add in the fact they can only cover 1/4 of the ewes, and the site price of these fat lambs is sky rocketing. Surely the beltex premium isn't worth that much?