Cars overtaking while waiting to turn right

TheTallGuy

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Location
Cambridgeshire
Yes but how is that related to my comment?
If they have so little regard for either their own or other peoples' safety to ride in that manner, how does that make them a better car driver? It doesn't! I don't deny that there are a good many decent motorcyclists that use their experience on two wheels to better inform their car driving, but there are many that don't. To suggest as you did that simply being a motorbike rider automatically makes every motorcyclist a better car driver is patent nonsense.
 

Robt

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Location
Suffolk
That’s not what I said! That chap you saw may not be a car driver. He may even be a cyclist too!!!! Rissing through 3 winters before I got a car certainly makes you(me) a better driver. If your tires slide, you know it! If you get the wind from a truck you know it. If ,etc etc.
like car drivers , tractors drivers, motorbike drivers. There are dick heads out there
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
The standard of driving in this country is some of the worst I’ve seen in the world! Driving on blue lights occasionally really makes you realise just how rarely if ever people check their rear view mirrors . It’s not an age thing either. Some drivers just haven’t a clue what’s happening around them. Ridding a motorcycle as mentioned does make you a better car driver. I can pretty much always say I know just as well what’s behind me as what’s in front . The amount of times I’ve indicated and pulled it the left to allow an emergency vehicle to pass to only find the 4 cars behind me all overtake me thinking what’s that Wally doing! You then see them panicking as they are blue lights and stop on blind corners or hills. A huge push for increased roads policing could really save lives and accident rates.

Had just this today, saw blues in the distance in my rear mirror but could see it was an ambulance moving slowly, barely above traffic speeds.... When he was two cars back, I eased over, onl to have whizzbang boy accelerate and lunge past me, only to have to pull in 50yds up the road as an alert trucker had seen what was coming and eased over too!
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
Utter nonsense! Riding a motorcycle might make some people better car drivers, but it doesn't turn off the "I'm a twit" gene that so many seem to carry!

Just today in Cambridge on a one way street with a contra-flow cycle lane. Pillock on a big bike overtook everyone using the cycle lane & sat at the lights deafening everyone around revving his engine to show off - then when the lights changed he sped off at considerably more than the 20mph limit.

S'ok, he has a small penis! ;)

Eedjits are everywhere.
 

TheTallGuy

Member
Location
Cambridgeshire
That’s not what I said! That chap you saw may not be a car driver. He may even be a cyclist too!!!! Rissing through 3 winters before I got a car certainly makes you(me) a better driver. If your tires slide, you know it! If you get the wind from a truck you know it. If ,etc etc.
like car drivers , tractors drivers, motorbike drivers. There are dick heads out there
Ridding a motorcycle as mentioned does make you a better car driver.
Just because it made you a better driver (in your opinion), it doesn't mean to say that it's the same for everyone else who rides a motorbike... which is what your original statement implies. Ultimately an idiot is an idiot regardless of whatever vehicles they may drive, some people learn from their experiences & many don't. A person who acts like an idiot on his bike is no less likely, in my opinion, to display better car driving skills than someone who doesn't ride motorbikes.
 

Netherfield

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Location
West Yorkshire
It used to be pandemonium when David Brown's workforce got let out of the factory, up to 3,000 workers all trying to get home before the other 2,999 , overtake a tractor without a thought, one spot between Meltham and Huddersfield I could be signalling to turn right, they'd be overtaking on the inside, the outside and one tried to go under one of the silage trailers, he survived but it didn't do his car a lot of good.
 

2wheels

Member
Location
aberdeenshire
Utter nonsense! Riding a motorcycle might make some people better car drivers, but it doesn't turn off the "I'm a twit" gene that so many seem to carry!

Just today in Cambridge on a one way street with a contra-flow cycle lane. Pillock on a big bike overtook everyone using the cycle lane & sat at the lights deafening everyone around revving his engine to show off - then when the lights changed he sped off at considerably more than the 20mph limit.
he was maybe left behind from the weekend. i try to avoid going out on the bike at the weekend as everybody (cars, bikes and cyclists ) seem to sit on their brains.
 

2wheels

Member
Location
aberdeenshire
Just because it made you a better driver (in your opinion), it doesn't mean to say that it's the same for everyone else who rides a motorbike... which is what your original statement implies. Ultimately an idiot is an idiot regardless of whatever vehicles they may drive, some people learn from their experiences & many don't. A person who acts like an idiot on his bike is no less likely, in my opinion, to display better car driving skills than someone who doesn't ride motorbikes.
aye but the idiot bikers don't last long.
 

Renaultman

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Arable Farmer
Location
Darlington
If you position your front tractor wheel directly ontop of the white line it really should be obvious where you are going (If the road is actually wide enogh to have a white line)
I was going to say, road positioning and general telegraphing to other road users helps, to the point of actually tossing on to the wrong side a bit, if safe. Driving standards have got worse unfortunately.
 

caveman

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Location
East Sussex.
Blimey, mine said drop a gear as you approach a (still green but possibly will change) traffic light, so if it changes to amber you can accelerate through the junction.
As Amber on its own means stop, you're probably approaching the lights too fast in the first place.
What's with all the ideas on here of driving aggressively?
I'm appalled at some of the ideas on how to drive on a public road on a thread about other dick heads.
People need to start looking further ahead and driving defensively.
If you want to drive on your gears, book a day at Brands Hatch.
 
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HatsOff

Member
Mixed Farmer
As Amber on its own means stop, you're probably approaching the lights too fast in the first place.
What's with all the ideas on here of driving aggressively?
I'm appalled at some of the ideas on how to drive on a public road on a thread about other dick heads.
People need to start looking further ahead and driving defensively.
If you want to drive on your gears, book a day at Brands Hatch.
Amber doesn't always mean stop - it's an allowance to allow for slowing safely. If you're too close/over the stop line to slow safely then you should continue through.

Edit - verbatim:

"AMBER means STOP. You may go on only if the amber appears after you have crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to pull up might cause an accident "
 

DENNING

Member
The problem is that people treat an amber as a signal to stop unless it is inconvenient for them, rather than to stop unless it is unsafe to do so.
 

HatsOff

Member
Mixed Farmer
I don't think there's any major issue with the traffic light system or how people use them. Might see some aggressive driving occasionally but I don't think they're a major cause of accidents.
Exactly.

Where's the bit about down shifting gear and flooring it though?
Is that what I said? Thought I said change down a gear so that you can accelerate through the junction.

Of course, if it changes earlier then you've downshifted appropriately in order to safely stop.
 

caveman

Member
Location
East Sussex.
Of course, if it changes earlier then you've downshifted appropriately in order to safely stop.

Brakes are for slowing down and or stopping.
Gears are for speeding up.
Of course. That doesn't preclude selecting a lower gear to help hold the vehicles speed back.
Such as in descending Bluebell Hill, 44 tonnes up or being in heavy traffic.
 

TheTallGuy

Member
Location
Cambridgeshire
Back when I learned to drive it was that the vehicle should be in the most appropriate gear for the situation to give maximum control of the speed of the vehicle. Or as my instructor put it, changing the position of the throttle pedal should always result in a change of speed... if you're using a too high gear then you're too near to idle speed for speed reduction & if you're using a too low gear then you're outside the power band to accelerate or close to the limiter as well as wasting fuel. This modern thing of driving "economically" by being in the highest gear possible is, in my opinion, wrong & is a false economy.
 
Back when I learned to drive it was that the vehicle should be in the most appropriate gear for the situation to give maximum control of the speed of the vehicle. Or as my instructor put it, changing the position of the throttle pedal should always result in a change of speed... if you're using a too high gear then you're too near to idle speed for speed reduction & if you're using a too low gear then you're outside the power band to accelerate or close to the limiter as well as wasting fuel. This modern thing of driving "economically" by being in the highest gear possible is, in my opinion, wrong & is a false economy.
wernt many autos back in the day...
 
Back when I learned to drive it was that the vehicle should be in the most appropriate gear for the situation to give maximum control of the speed of the vehicle. Or as my instructor put it, changing the position of the throttle pedal should always result in a change of speed... if you're using a too high gear then you're too near to idle speed for speed reduction & if you're using a too low gear then you're outside the power band to accelerate or close to the limiter as well as wasting fuel. This modern thing of driving "economically" by being in the highest gear possible is, in my opinion, wrong & is a false economy.
I agree, hard to beat the older vehicles with a solid flywheel, you had to change down then because of the vibration.
 

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The Health and Safety Executive for Northern Ireland (HSENI) alongside the Farm Safety Partnership (FSP), has named new farm safety champions and commended the outstanding work on farm safety that has been carried out in the farming community in the last 20 years.

Two of these champions are Malcom Downey, retired principal inspector for the Agri/Food team in HSENI and Harry Sinclair, current chair of the Farm Safety Partnership and former president of the Ulster Farmers’ Union (UFU).

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