Case International 856xl rebuild

[SuperTwo]

That's a rarity, never seen a red one with long levers. I thought the order was
Red/Tan short levers up to C reg
Black/Tan short levers, C reg
Black/Tan long levers, C, possibly D reg
Black/Grey long levers, new nose, D, E reg onwards

Long levers came out in 84ish from what I can gather. These models were marked as ergo-s on the door decal on the continent but not in the UK or Ireland which kept the plain door decal.

 

[deere66]

Thanks, never seen a red with long levers or black with short in real life but have book from '85ish after the Case takeover showing Black/Tan with short sticks

 

[RichIH]

Just out of interest how much difference in length is there between the long and short gear levers?

 

[Flat 10]

I've a feeling the range stick gear layout was different between long and short gear sticks.....

 

[Lofty]

This pic doesn't prove the gear levers, but is our 1984 1056XL just like Super Two's pic above. We had an older 1055XL as well at the time which had short sticks. It was non syncro between high/low/rev and had 90 gear oil in the box. The 56 above was syncro with Hytran. She had Sense-o-draulic linkage as well and was the first tractor we had with air con!

 

[SuperTwo]

Thanks, never seen a red with long levers or black with short in real life but have book from '85ish after the Case takeover showing Black/Tan with short sticks
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Thats a strange one.. only thing i can think of is that its an older model that had been re sprayed in the new colours for the photo shoot?

 

[deere66]

Thats a strange one.. only thing i can think of is that its an older model that had been re sprayed in the new colours for the photo shoot?

Must be because obviously there are red uns about with long sticks

 

[deere66]

View attachment 618958 This pic doesn't prove the gear levers, but is our 1984 1056XL just like Super Two's pic above. We had an older 1055XL as well at the time which had short sticks. It was non syncro between high/low/rev and had 90 gear oil in the box. The 56 above was syncro with Hytran. She had Sense-o-draulic linkage as well and was the first tractor we had with air con!

That's a beauty. 56's had pressure lube gearbox, improvement over 55's in '82 IIRC. Sensodraulic came in late '83? I think the long levers brought the synchro H/L/R

 

[deere66]

Just out of interest how much difference in length is there between the long and short gear levers?

Probably a foot. Long ones eminate from the floor rather than the console.

 

[deere66]

I've a feeling the range stick gear layout was different between long and short gear sticks.....

Could be, certainly the 1-4 is now at the outside with the H/L/R nearest, opposite way round to the short stick models

 

[Lofty]

That's a beauty. 56's

Nah, you probably would'nt think so if you'd sat in it for 4000hrs

 

[deere66]

Funny, what are called classics now weren't quite so good at the time

 

[Flat 10]

Nah, you probably would'nt think so if you'd sat in it for 4000hrs

Done several hours in one and l still quite like them

 

[Oh Deere]

We had 2 A reg 956 tractors with short gear sticks but hytran in the gearbox both where A reg . We also once had a B reg with senso hydraulics and long sticks . Have seen A reg tractors with Gear oil in the transmission you could tell by driving them or by the absence of the transmission filter.
All these tractors where square front red chassis

 

[deere66]

Think the Hy tran would come with the pressure lubricated gearbox i.e. when the 56 replaced the 55

 

[Flat 10]

Think the Hy tran would come with the pressure lubricated gearbox i.e. when the 56 replaced the 55

Early 56s had gear oil afaik. Also various different filtration set ups l think.

 

[deere66]

Always thought the upgrade to 56 signalled the change of gearbox lubrication so guessed that 80W90 would be to thick to pump so change to hy tran but i bow to your greater knowledge, i was a bit too young at the time

 

[Flat 10]

Always thought the upgrade to 56 signalled the change of gearbox lubrication so guessed that 80W90 would be to thick to pump so change to hy tran but i bow to your greater knowledge, i was a bit too young at the time

You may be right.

 

[Zebbedee]

Thoughts on the fly wheel skim or replace?

Skim it no problem just take same amount of the face that clutch cover bolts to, done many years ago

 

[v8willy]

Early 56s had gear oil afaik. Also various different filtration set ups l think.

Always thought the upgrade to 56 signalled the change of gearbox lubrication so guessed that 80W90 would be to thick to pump so change to hy tran but i bow to your greater knowledge, i was a bit too young at the time

Had a new 56 plus in 93, sensodrolic & syncro greabox but still on gear oil in the box, hy-tran in the backend. A great gearbox to use once warmed up,( was like driving with the handbrake on first thing in the morning), just hold lever over to reverse & it took it when ready, was only 30k tho.
Thinking on it now, were the 40k boxes not all hy-tran instead of gear oil?