Case Puma/NH T7 equivalent.

Finn farmer

Member
Why not another puma? Speaking to a lad whose been nh cvx for ages and has changed to a puma cvx and rates it over the nh big time
I can second that. Not much between them, but i like the Multicobtroller better, and the lack of dashboard (which leaves room for two large bottles which are also cooled). Small things, but cold water/soda all day is a must. 😂
 
Smallest LWB are the 7030/T7.220/T7.230 depending on what age you're looking at. Can't agree with the comments about the smallest in the range being dead or too heavy for its power because the 7030 I drive is completely standard and will walk all over remapped 6080s. Maybe the 6080s have been badly mapped but the 7030 has guts like nothing else I've driven, it just hangs on and doesn't want to die. Haven't any experience of the auto command gearbox unfortunately.

I agree about the smallest LWB not being underpowered , we have a 185 powershift. If the 240 is to busy to go on the drill (6m vaddy) then the 185 goes on and manages remarkably well
We need to add a SWB tractor to our fleet sometime and my brother \ nephew recko the blue ones are good value, I would prefer to stay red, we have fantastic service, why spoil that across the fleet for the sake of a few K
 

WA29

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Location
West mids
We’ve ran a handful of puma CVX’s to around 6k hours, all have been faultless. Never heard major issues under 10k hrs is common either. Good friend said if they let go there is a place in Scotland that’ll overhaul them fully for around 6k. Beats the JD/fendt horror stories of 20/30k.
 

Andrew K

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Arable Farmer
Location
Essex
Bill,
i would stick with Case, as I am sure they depreciate slower than a NH despite similarities. I cant stand the yukky blue paint and interior colour either. Not sure how reliability varies between Austrian or Basildon build machines?
 

Bill Turtle

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Essex
They don’t seem to depreciate fast enough when you want to buy a clean used tractor. When offering mine as a trade in however, it seemed to be worth at least £15k, and probably more than that, less than what the trade offer them at.
I agree about the standard NH blue, but quite like the look of the bluepower livery.
 

Drillman

Member
Mixed Farmer
Bill,
i would stick with Case, as I am sure they depreciate slower than a NH despite similarities. I cant stand the yukky blue paint and interior colour either. Not sure how reliability varies between Austrian or Basildon build machines?
We ended up with a case a few years back as it was way cheaper than same size NH.

from a user point of view having both the NH is way nicer and the case will be swapped for blue in due course.
 

mcagris

Member
Location
Inverurie
run a T7.235 autocomand last 3years, bought at 4600hrs now 8000hrs favourite tractor owned to drive but Financial been a disaster would of changed to the same again with warranty because it suits my needs if they still made that option but now have setup up to a 245 or go down to a 230. From what I've demoed recently and before case felt to have marginally better cab ergonomics. Not had any demo tractors of late that hasn't given error codes or had issues that should of been picked up, price of tractors now they should be whisper quiet carbon fiber and leather clad but still rattly and plastic.
 
We’ve ran a handful of puma CVX’s to around 6k hours, all have been faultless. Never heard major issues under 10k hrs is common either. Good friend said if they let go there is a place in Scotland that’ll overhaul them fully for around 6k. Beats the JD/fendt horror stories of 20/30k.
What JD /fendt vario horror stories are you hearing that cost 20 to 30k? I had a 7040, vario and would not keep it out of warranty, tractor was spilt twice, I have 2 JD, vario's here one on 13000 hrs both untouched.
 

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
run a T7.235 autocomand last 3years, bought at 4600hrs now 8000hrs favourite tractor owned to drive but Financial been a disaster would of changed to the same again with warranty because it suits my needs if they still made that option but now have setup up to a 245 or go down to a 230. From what I've demoed recently and before case felt to have marginally better cab ergonomics. Not had any demo tractors of late that hasn't given error codes or had issues that should of been picked up, price of tractors now they should be whisper quiet carbon fiber and leather clad but still rattly and plastic.
Why a disaster? Breakdowns?
 

Frankzy

Member
Location
Jamtland, Sweden
The 260 hp is iso hp: it is only 260 on the crank without the power needed for cooling, alternator and whatever. Fine if you compare like for like but it is not 260 hp in the real world.

You're referring to ISO 14396 or as its more commonly known ECE R 120 which if you look at a bunch of brochures you'll see is what pretty much everyone uses. It still makes sense to call it a 240 hp tractor even if it never quite manages that number without boost because it is the same deal with everyone else...
 

Gerbert

Member
Location
Dutch biblebelt
You're referring to ISO 14396 or as its more commonly known ECE R 120 which if you look at a bunch of brochures you'll see is what pretty much everyone uses. It still makes sense to call it a 240 hp tractor even if it never quite manages that number without boost because it is the same deal with everyone else...
That's what I said.
However it makes comparing to older tractors a pain. I just tend to take an estimated guess, looking at what percentage tends to be between max and nominal power and between iso and decent hp.
I prefer to use pto hp. If you test a tractor you do it on the pto so makes comparing to what you have easiest.
 

Frankzy

Member
Location
Jamtland, Sweden
That's what I said.
However it makes comparing to older tractors a pain. I just tend to take an estimated guess, looking at what percentage tends to be between max and nominal power and between iso and decent hp.

You'd have to compare against some pretty old tractors then because we've used this slightly more generous standard for quite a while now. BTW the number is about 3% less with ECE R24 and 7.5% less with DIN 70020 and it has nothing to do with the difference between max and nominal horsepower... Oh! what's "decent hp"? DIN?

I prefer to use pto hp. If you test a tractor you do it on the pto so makes comparing to what you have easiest.
I wouldn't agree that PTO is automatically the best test, if you're getting a tractor whose main job will be tillage then I'd be doing timed runs up a hill or something to test the tractive power.
 

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