Cattle tagging regulation change?

An Gof

Member
Location
Cornwall
You're too kind.

As for differences across the Tamar..... (vive le difference)
I notice my 2 county livestock reps (last year, when I asked) are both right behind the project.

One is a perfectly nice chap, but mostly angling to benefit from expansive housing development worth some millions, which i contend might influence his view of farmings future.
(and who was wrestling a mad bovine in his pens when I phoned, which was evidently thrashing about like a demented thing.....which I thought neatly ironic given our topic of discussion)
The other has no cattle, didn't know me from Adam (which doesn't bother me, but given my relationship with the NFU at the time hardly boded well....), and gave me every impression of not being able to think his way out of a wet paper bag.
(I'm sorry, I don't wish to be unkind, but he had presumably put himself up for the post....)
When pressed, he admitted he knew almost nothing about the proposals, and when asked about farmers without mobile signal/tech abilities, declared that they 'shouldn't be farming'.
I promise you, that is what he said.

Both had swallowed the plan completely, despite it being shot full of lies and half truths.

I know we get the representation we deserve, and that the firm have to deal with gov on the one hand, and our chosen reps on the other....but.....

One day when our paths cross I will introduce myself to you, don’t know too many over your side but LB knows me fairly well.
 

DrWazzock

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
I moaned and raved about making tax digital but when you get it running its actually better than the paper based system. There is always a pain barrier to get through with any of these projects but usually its worth it in the long run.

Maybe sometimes we condemn systems out of hand before giving them a chance to get going.

I'd welcome cloud based medicine records rather than the paper system we have now. And as long as the tags stay in and aren't too heavy, then surely if they are EID tags then its a bonus if you make use of the added functionality.

We also must consider that we are supplying a more and more fickle market. Transparency and traceability is required and can actually be a selling point over and above foreign imports. We shouldn't forget that but we should expect some work on our part to make it a success.

What's more, if we as an industry had to pay out directly to set up such a database then it would require us to lay out millions. Maybe we should be grateful that the government is shouldering the cost and project management and not asking us to do the whole thing.

Now, where is my three legged milking stool?
 

Raider112

Member
People talking about cloud, what the hell is that? I might not know about that but I bet my stockmanship compares favourably with most who want to play with fancy gadgets when they should be using the skills required to actually do their job well.The two or three who claim to see widespread support for this have yet to suggest a poll on here to back up their argument so I'll do it for them. Can someone set a poll up please?
 

C.J

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Livestock Farmer
Location
South Devon
One for his beany and one for his Pashtoon )spelling ?)

One of these ?

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DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Tell me of one thing that was ever stopped or turned round by farmers moaning about it.

That's why I find it easier to spend my energy just getting on and doing it rather than wasting effort opposing it.
 

egbert

Member
Livestock Farmer
I moaned and raved about making tax digital but when you get it running its actually better than the paper based system. There is always a pain barrier to get through with any of these projects but usually its worth it in the long run.

Maybe sometimes we condemn systems out of hand before giving them a chance to get going.

I'd welcome cloud based medicine records rather than the paper system we have now. And as long as the tags stay in and aren't too heavy, then surely if they are EID tags then its a bonus if you make use of the added functionality.

We also must consider that we are supplying a more and more fickle market. Transparency and traceability is required and can actually be a selling point over and above foreign imports. We shouldn't forget that but we should expect some work on our part to make it a success.

What's more, if we as an industry had to pay out directly to set up such a database then it would require us to lay out millions. Maybe we should be grateful that the government is shouldering the cost and project management and not asking us to do the whole thing.

Now, where is my three legged milking stool?

Hmm....Missus E is currently despairing over some new accounts programme that digi-vat has forced on us, and like various other aspects of the wondrous new age, we're finding it impossible to 'buy' such things like we could 10 years ago, but increasingly get forced to 'rent' them......and funnily enough, it seems to cost twice as much.
 
Location
East Mids
@mo!

What I do worry about is the reported inability to manually read an animals tag like we can do currently with non EID cattle and EID sheep tags. How can that be right?

Spot on. As closed dairy herd, the only time we need to consider a tag is when we spot one is missing and needs retagging. All replacements are freeze branded at 8 months with the last 2 or 3 digits of their ear tag and we know them all by sight anyway once they are milkers. Obviously we need the full tag number for any paperwork but that's easy enough to find we certainly don't read it off the tag! Cull cows are loaded straight out of a yard up a trailer ramp, I don't want to have to put them through a handling system to read a bloody tag! All beef cross calves sold have visible tags and even when we kept some and finished them we never had a problem with ID. I fully appreciate that for folks buying and selling lots of cattle getting shitty and worn tags in hairy ears of wild beasts that have to go through a race to get anywhere near them, an EID may be a big benefit but to remove the visual tag as well just seems daft. It also means that at inspections, they can't just use a pair of binoculars (if needed) to check animals, they'll presumably have to be gathered and run through a race, with all the resultant time, stress, welfare and safety issues.

I find CTS pretty damn accurate and when the occasional hiccup has occurred, swiftly resolved.
 

milkloss

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
Tell me of one thing that was ever stopped or turned round by farmers moaning about it.

That's why I find it easier to spend my energy just getting on and doing it rather than wasting effort opposing it.

That’s because we moan rather than just say ‘no, we’re not doing it, come up with something else’.

No one has the balls to say no nowadays and imo it’s about time we grew some as a group.
 

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