CF New season Fert

quattro

Member
Location
scotland
If they wanted to keep production flowing and set a price like they have and said anyone taking it early,and the price drops they will pass it on to you
At least it would encourage people who have storage to take it early
 

DRC

Member
If they wanted to keep production flowing and set a price like they have and said anyone taking it early,and the price drops they will pass it on to you
At least it would encourage people who have storage to take it early
This is what used to happen in dad’s day. Rebate if it was cheaper in the spring. Can’t say I’m over excited to buy any yet
 

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
I had a rebate last year from Yara thanks to the buying group. Not much though given what I spend with them every year, though the group do have my orders in advance & execute when they feel the time is right.
 

fudge

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire.
Recently listened to omex guy explaining their pricing policy (again) which remains as clear as mud. Since he didn’t have any actual prices, I was wondering what liquid users are roughly pay for SO3 over the last couple of seasons. I ask the question since, frustratingly, I feel those of us who use urea are going to be forced to buy an inhibitor at some point. In fact the only solid statement, excuse the pun, to come from the omex guy was that “cost inflation was certain”. Nice chap though.
 

teslacoils

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
What’s the sentiment on prices in general? Is a drop expected?

On AN? Cf etc al won't alter their policy of dribbling out allocations and adding £2 a time. Only chance of a fall will be due to currency or huge drop in urea prices.

If you think the pound will get stronger to let you buy fert cheaper, thibk what that will do to grain prices.
 

fudge

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire.
On AN? Cf etc al won't alter their policy of dribbling out allocations and adding £2 a time. Only chance of a fall will be due to currency or huge drop in urea prices.

If you think the pound will get stronger to let you buy fert cheaper, thibk what that will do to grain prices.
Conversely if you think prices are high why buy one’s whole tonnage before the crop is in the ground?
 

CORK

Member
On AN? Cf etc al won't alter their policy of dribbling out allocations and adding £2 a time. Only chance of a fall will be due to currency or huge drop in urea prices.

If you think the pound will get stronger to let you buy fert cheaper, thibk what that will do to grain prices.

Cheers, I’m in Ireland so the Pound isn’t a huge issue. Just wondered about N P & K in general. Don’t need to buy until January anyway so no panic.
Bought in August in the past two years which worked out well. We’ll see.
 

teslacoils

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Conversely if you think prices are high why buy one’s whole tonnage before the crop is in the ground?

And if you think they are cheap book 500t for February and sell it back to the merchant in December......it's all a guessing game.

I'm not playing though. All my fert is in the shed. New urea and a tank of liquid .
 
What do you think of the pool's previous performance? I'm just curious - it seems a good way of empowering a wise trader to bulk buy.

First year I've put my fert in a pool but they guarantee to buy on first day of trading which may become difficult for us smaller chaps to do when CF only sell for a short time on each day they release a limited tonnage

Only time will tell if I'm a fool or not
 

Hampton

Member
BASIS
Location
Shropshire
Prices getting withdrawn each evening, to make sure they don't over sell the delivery months like they have the previous 2 years and then not deliver until later on. Each evening they will collate total tonnes sold and re-evaluate for next morning how many more tonnes to sell for each month.


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Ah of course!
After all, they are new to the UK fertiliser market and clearly don't know how much product they make and sell for the UK market each year having not done this under various company names for the last 30 years. Nothing to do with trying to create a buzz from a fairly unappealing price, and all to do with not being able to keep up with demand.
 

PSQ

Member
Arable Farmer
I feel those of us who use urea are going to be forced to buy an inhibitor at some point.

Just when you think the 'soil health' message is getting through to government, government threaten mandatory use of range of chemicals derived from (or similar to) formaldehyde embalming fluid, to 'inhibit' (ie kill) soil biology.
And the icing on the cake: fertiliser salesmen advising that Urase inhibitors allow you to apply all of your urea in a single early application
- 1000L/ha of liquid fert and inhibitor applied mid February, thats not going to end well for soil biology, water courses, or farmers... :banghead:

Quotes for enough Inhibitor for a season on my 180ha come in around the £2000 mark, for a product to prevent volatilisation during 'hot dry weather', i.e. - it's no f**king use in Scotland, just another needless 'fixed' cost to tick a box.
 

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
Recently listened to omex guy explaining their pricing policy (again) which remains as clear as mud. Since he didn’t have any actual prices, I was wondering what liquid users are roughly pay for SO3 over the last couple of seasons. I ask the question since, frustratingly, I feel those of us who use urea are going to be forced to buy an inhibitor at some point. In fact the only solid statement, excuse the pun, to come from the omex guy was that “cost inflation was certain”. Nice chap though.

Most liquid is sold by the tonne except for Yara who do it by the cubic metre. I had a long chat with a mate who buys liquid for 50,000 acres for a farming company - he's been trying to get my orders on his books but I go back to Anglia Farmers each time. Last summer we did a comparison of w/v quotes vs w/w for liquid N+S on the same day and they were the same. You just have to use the specific gravity multiplier to convert w/v to w/w.

You need to know the An price on the day to cost out the S content. Normally the liquid merchants match Nitram/Extran for straight liquid N & the NS products are done in a similar way on a £/kg basis. There's little to choose between Yara, Omex, BFS, Koch etc on price. AF make sure they are keen to match each other. Liquid pricing starts later than new season solid product but the prices are normally backdated to early doors AN. If you're ordering liquid I'd have you quantities ready even if it's for spring top up as the carry should be a straight line to March/April 2020.

No actual date for the compulsory sale of inhibited urea and UAN yet - it's just a proposal under the Clean Air Strategy announced earlier this year but I expect it to be made law before long.
 

Cropper

Member
Location
N. Glos
No actual date for the compulsory sale of inhibited urea and UAN yet - it's just a proposal under the Clean Air Strategy announced earlier this year but I expect it to be made law before long.

But isn’t it all a load of bullpoo? If a significant amount of urea was being volatilised it wouldn’t produce the same yield as AN, which independent trials show it does. It seems it’s only the AN manufacturers who exaggerate the possibility of urea volatilisation.
 

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