CF Nitrogen production?

[steveR]

Ah! But fert now is the by product?

So "waste"....

We will have to start charging them to take the waste. More rubbish paperwork for teh EA to monitor

 

[Lincsman]

Yes, low input, but not no input, those big air carts ain’t just full of seed, they hold phos and urea. Every farmer around the world will be doing the same calculations as you and I and many will be reaching the same conclusion.
These fertiliser prices could affect every single crop grown to a lesser or greater degree, from wheat to corn, from sunflower to rice.
Throw in a weather event and we’re off to the races.

I imagine Chinese farmers are not being starved of cheap Nitrogen

 

[Bald Rick]

I'm sorted ....

 

[Farmer Ed]

Fert price hike pushes optimum nitrogen rates to 160kg/ha - Farmers Weekly

With the recent hikes in fertiliser prices, which now reach as high as £465/t for ammonium nitrate (as of 27 September), farmers are being temporarily

www.fwi.co.uk

So the new optimum rate for N is 160kg/ha given its current price. Just under the NVZ limit, you've got to admit doing it that way is a lot less paperwork for farmers rather than having a UK wide NVZ

I'm sure CF didn't complain too much at having to double their prices for AN and become CO2 producers with a sideline in fertilizer. The margin is going to be huge once the gas prices drop in a year or so!

what do you mean I'm cynical?!

 

[Robt]

Am I reading this correct, nitrogen is £680 per tonne?

 

[DaveGrohl]

Fert price hike pushes optimum nitrogen rates to 160kg/ha - Farmers Weekly

With the recent hikes in fertiliser prices, which now reach as high as £465/t for ammonium nitrate (as of 27 September), farmers are being temporarily

www.fwi.co.uk

So the new optimum rate for N is 160kg/ha given its current price. Just under the NVZ limit, you've got to admit doing it that way is a lot less paperwork for farmers rather than having a UK wide NVZ

I'm sure CF didn't complain too much at having to double their prices for AN and become CO2 producers with a sideline in fertilizer. The margin is going to be huge once the gas prices drop in a year or so!

what do you mean I'm cynical?!

Great story that, they don't even tell us what crop they're on about.

 

[7610 super q]

Am I reading this correct, nitrogen is £680 per tonne?

And rising.

Fertiliser Price Tracker

More than a bit cheeky, it’s purely re-writing the contract with a new price in their favour. They all do it !It's usually in the small print!

thefarmingforum.co.uk

 

[SilliamWhale]

Am I reading this correct, nitrogen is £680 per tonne?

It was 5 minutes ago, now its £720

 

[grainboy]

Let's hope a global shortage will push the price of grain into the 21st century, where it might, just might, stay. For the last decade there seems to have been a £200 / ton glass ceiling. It'll be a difficult 12 months, but in the long term it may be worth it.

And the last time Wheat was over £200 per ton,
All the landlords wanted a slice, so much that I packed up farming.
Be careful what you wish for, !!

 

[7610 super q]

And the last time Wheat was over £200 per ton,
All the landlords wanted a slice, so much that I packed up farming.
Be careful what you wish for, !!

Why shouldn't landlords get a slice ?

 

[grainboy]

Didn’t say they shouldn’t,
But as a business you’ll be no financially better of,
And possibly worse off,

 

[Neddy flanders]

1. how is CF going to supply those whove forward bought but not been delivered, surely they cant have only sold forward what they had in stock at the time? if they rely on future production to meet contracts, and that production cant happen, what happens to that contract?

2. to save the planet we need to stop using AN. price is the only way this is going to happen. farmers will produce less, planet better off, masses starve.

 

[DairyGrazing]

Why shouldn't landlords get a slice ?

Can't have it both ways. They are not to keen when it comes to a rent reduction when times are tough!

 

[SilliamWhale]

Can't have it both ways. They are not to keen when it comes to a rent reduction when times are tough!

Thing is, they can have it both ways..

 

[Cowabunga]

CF will probably restart production if they can sell AN for £600/ton. In the meantime they are almost certainly making an absolute fortune re-selling their cheap forward-bought gas on the spot market. They couldn't give a fart for food supply or whether their product is currently economic to use. Their responsibility is as it is for any and all businesses, to look after their own shareholders and maximise their profits according to circumstances. They have no obligation to actually make and sell AN any more than any particular farmer has to produce cheap food. We can all, as commercial businesses, run it as we choose as long as we remain within the law.

 

[Farmer_Joe]

Am I reading this correct, nitrogen is £680 per tonne?

Exactly I don’t care how good it is no one needs it at this price, lower yields here we come thankfully I had a bumper growth of clover this year ha ha!!!,

but seriously I will not be paying over 250, I will just run less stock/ sell it sooner

 

[glasshouse]

Why shouldn't landlords get a slice ?

Cos they do feck all

 

[glasshouse]

Hello 30cwt barley
50cwt wheat
@£400/ton

 

[Roger Perry]

Cos they do feck all

If you are a land renter, far from doing nothing they provide you with the means to make your fortune.

 

[quattro]

1. how is CF going to supply those whove forward bought but not been delivered, surely they cant have only sold forward what they had in stock at the time? if they rely on future production to meet contracts, and that production cant happen, what happens to that contract?

2. to save the planet we need to stop using AN. price is the only way this is going to happen. farmers will produce less, planet better off, masses starve.

Why will stopping using nitrogen save the planet