CF

Munkul

Member
It takes over 600kg (KILOS, mind, that's near 1000 m3) of natural gas to produce 1 ton of anhydrous ammonia.
That's 9500 kwh of gas at industrial large volume prices equalling £380/ton last december. ONS data shows the price almost doubled from 2.4p/kwh in july-sept, to 4.15p/kwh in oct-dec.

AND...
It then takes a load more gas for heating, steam etc to form into other products. Use ammonia to make nitric acid and then to make AN.
THEN add in P and K etc (which have their own energy intensive processes), and granulate it using steam generated from gas boilers.
I'd put a SWAG on the total energy price per ton of granulated NPK to be around £500+. That's before any other raw materials or running costs.... That's literally just the cost of the gas involved.

Is it any surprise that they're struggling to turn a profit?

Looking back I'm surprised we didn't all see this coming a mile off. Every single European country apart from France has been installing gas turbines like they're going out of fashion over the last 10 years... supply and demand.... Every industry that has always needed gas for heating/chemicals now has to compete with electricity generation for a slice of the same size pie...
 
Last edited:

Two Tone

Member
Mixed Farmer
Brother said yesterday there's talk of CF mothballing it's uk plants. Worrying if true.
CF never did reopen its Ince plant. So only Billingham was reopened last September.

CF is USA owned and the price of Gas in North America is miles cheaper than it is in Europe.
Without a pipeline, it is expensive to compress and transport as a liquid.
So not only would CF stuff us by not only stopping making AN and CO2, but quite happily carry on production in the USA.
 
Last edited:

beardface

Member
Location
East Yorkshire
CF never did reopen its Ince plant. So only Billingham was reopened last September.

CF is USA owned and the price of Gas in North America is miles cheaper than it is in Europe.
Without a pipeline, it is expensive to compress and transport as a liquid.
So not only would CF stuff us by not only stopping making AN and CO2, but quite happily carry on production in the USA.

I think that possibly the reality. Large corporation realising there's no money in the job over here. Bit like p n o with ferries. If the jobs not paying hard choices have to be made. After all there not charities.
 

Farma Parma

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Northumberlandia
Been watching that Peter Zeihan video that someone posted the other day (loads of fascinating stuff in there) and I was shocked at the huge differences in gas prices between the US and Europe. I find myself wondering why we aren’t buying huge quantities of fert from the US?
If what that fellow is saying about allsorts thats ongoing in the world atm were doomed !! interesting guy tho
 

Make Tax Digital Software Poll

  • Quickbooks

    Votes: 33 16.7%
  • Sage

    Votes: 20 10.1%
  • Xero

    Votes: 91 46.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 54 27.3%

Man fined £300 for bonfire-related waste offences

  • 167
  • 0
Written by William Kellett from Agriland

court-640x360.jpg
A man has pleaded guilty at Newtownards Magistrates’ Court to waste offences relating to a bonfire next to the electrical sub-station on the Circular Road in Newtownards, Co. Down.

Gareth Gill (51) of Abbot’s Walk, Newtownards pleaded guilty to two charges under the Waste and Contaminated Land (Northern Ireland) Order 1997, for which he was fined £150 each and ordered to pay a £15 offender’s levy

On June 25, 2018, PSNI officers went to Gill’s yard, where they found a large amount of waste consisting of scrap wood, pallets, carpet and underlay.

Discussion with Northern Ireland Environment Agency (NIEA) officers confirmed the site...
Top