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<blockquote data-quote="Munkul" data-source="post: 8108848" data-attributes="member: 73308"><p>I know. It's crazy. But I work in industry so have to have an idea of where our raw materials come from and how they are affected.</p><p>Urea is made from CO2 and ammonia too, usually in the same plant, although I don't think Billingham produces urea now.</p><p>Ammonia is one of the most important industrial chemicals produced, as it's the feedstock for many others.</p><p></p><p>It's mind boggling to think that you're pulling gas out of the ground to convert to a different product and then spread it back on the ground... but that's exactly what we've been doing for the last hundred years. Suppose it's just a little bit different to eating plants and crapping them back out again. </p><p></p><p>Hydrocarbons were, and still are, the most condensed source of energy we can practically use. "energy density" is the right term for it. Nothing else really compares.</p><p>Unfortunately back when I was at school in early 2000's, gas was the "in" energy source. Much cleaner than coal and oil, and much "safer" than nuclear. Hence... gas turbines for electric. Hence... gas reliance.</p><p>If you really want to see mind boggling, work out your carbon footprint.... the hippies have been shouting about it for decades but really is it any wonder? On average it's 10 tonnes per person per year... Again, not volume, but sheer WEIGHT of gas.</p><p></p><p>It's an energy equation, pure and simple. Us humans like energy a LOT and we use and waste more than we can replace.</p><p></p><p>The current crunch on supply/demand has just been a bit of a wake-up call.</p><p>Things won't go back to normal unless the supply is increased by around 30% and Russia stops its stupid war, but even then, it's just delaying the inevitable. In my lifetime at least I expect to see significant change, and (IMHO) the only way to sustain our current energy use is to go nuclear.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Munkul, post: 8108848, member: 73308"] I know. It's crazy. But I work in industry so have to have an idea of where our raw materials come from and how they are affected. Urea is made from CO2 and ammonia too, usually in the same plant, although I don't think Billingham produces urea now. Ammonia is one of the most important industrial chemicals produced, as it's the feedstock for many others. It's mind boggling to think that you're pulling gas out of the ground to convert to a different product and then spread it back on the ground... but that's exactly what we've been doing for the last hundred years. Suppose it's just a little bit different to eating plants and crapping them back out again. Hydrocarbons were, and still are, the most condensed source of energy we can practically use. "energy density" is the right term for it. Nothing else really compares. Unfortunately back when I was at school in early 2000's, gas was the "in" energy source. Much cleaner than coal and oil, and much "safer" than nuclear. Hence... gas turbines for electric. Hence... gas reliance. If you really want to see mind boggling, work out your carbon footprint.... the hippies have been shouting about it for decades but really is it any wonder? On average it's 10 tonnes per person per year... Again, not volume, but sheer WEIGHT of gas. It's an energy equation, pure and simple. Us humans like energy a LOT and we use and waste more than we can replace. The current crunch on supply/demand has just been a bit of a wake-up call. Things won't go back to normal unless the supply is increased by around 30% and Russia stops its stupid war, but even then, it's just delaying the inevitable. In my lifetime at least I expect to see significant change, and (IMHO) the only way to sustain our current energy use is to go nuclear. [/QUOTE]
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