Charmoise tup for ewe lambs

gwi1890

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Location
North wales
Been thinking of buying a charmoise tup
For ewe lambs, what are the pros/cons of using them? I get they are slow growing and pull less on the ewe lamb but do they have a tendency to get fat at low weights? Ideally I want a scenario thats more than “getting a lamb through her” and have something half decent to sell as store or as hoggs
 

TexelBen

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Livestock Farmer
Location
North Yorkshire
Decent shaped lambs with a real will to live, noisy little buggers 🤣
Easy to lamb and kill out % is good.
Hardy, but some can have a barer birth coat than others, so choose your tup well if lambing out.

They're not very pretty 🤷‍♂️

We use ours on hoggs, and pure texel shearings, do a good job and a hell of a lamb off a texel 💪🏾
 

MRT

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Been thinking of buying a charmoise tup
For ewe lambs, what are the pros/cons of using them? I get they are slow growing and pull less on the ewe lamb but do they have a tendency to get fat at low weights? Ideally I want a scenario thats more than “getting a lamb through her” and have something half decent to sell as store or as hoggs
They are a great idea on ewe lambs. They will go fat at lower weights sometimes, especially the females and if on new, clovery seeds. They will be more than half decent. More smaller shapely lambs fat vs less heavy stores.
 

gwi1890

Member
Location
North wales
Decent shaped lambs with a real will to live, noisy little buggers 🤣
Easy to lamb and kill out % is good.
Hardy, but some can have a barer birth coat than others, so choose your tup well if lambing out.

They're not very pretty 🤷‍♂️

We use ours on hoggs, and pure texel shearings, do a good job and a hell of a lamb off a texel 💪🏾

thanks, yes my intention was to use on pure texel hoggs and easycare hoggs, I used a Easycare on the texel hoggs last year decent lambs but grow to quickly and drag the hoggs down a bit to much
 

mr spurs

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Livestock Farmer
Brilliant on ewe lambs, won't give up on a crazzy hogg or drag her down,weights around 40kg+ for tups and 38s on ewelambs.Sale at ruthin September 10th,charmoise sheep society on fb👍
 

mr spurs

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Livestock Farmer
yes I was thinking of going to Ruthin, I presume tups are well capable of mating 100 ewes?
Can't guarantee you that,same with any other ram or breed,but,they are cracking workers,and don't lose condition whilst working, but just incase,buy 2👍
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
thanks, yes my intention was to use on pure texel hoggs and easycare hoggs, I used a Easycare on the texel hoggs last year decent lambs but grow to quickly and drag the hoggs down a bit to much

How many ewe lambs have you got to tup? I would suggest a Beltex would do a far better job on an Easycare, especially if wanting to sell as stores.

As to finished weights, most people I know using them round here (mostly on 60-65kg mature weight breeds), send them dw by 35-36kg, or they get penalised for fat. Wouldn’t be a problem on your Texel hoggs I expect, but more likely on the Easycares.
 

gwi1890

Member
Location
North wales
How many ewe lambs have you got to tup? I would suggest a Beltex would do a far better job on an Easycare, especially if wanting to sell as stores.

As to finished weights, most people I know using them round here (mostly on 60-65kg mature weight breeds), send them dw by 35-36kg, or they get penalised for fat. Wouldn’t be a problem on your Texel hoggs I expect, but more likely on the Easycares.
90 odd to tup, I have used some dutch texel rams in the past and have a few rams with dutch blood in them I use them on welsh x lleyn ewes the get 34kg-36k fast the get overfat as , I just fear there is a bit to much British texel in them to put over the ewes lambs, the 2 dutch texel I bought originally were lazy, If I could find a non pushed beltex I might consider
 
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neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
90 odd to tup, I have used some dutch texel rams in the past and have a few rams with dutch blood in them I use them on welsh x lleyn ewes the get 34kg-36k fast the get overfat as , I just fear there is a bit to much British texel in them to put over the ewes lambs, the 2 dutch texel I bought were lazy, If I could find a non pushed beltex I might consider

It’s funny you should mention that…..

I have one Beltex shearling here, never seen any hard feed, ever.👍

Or @MJT sells some tidy, grass reared ram lambs.
 

MJT

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90 odd to tup, I have used some dutch texel rams in the past and have a few rams with dutch blood in them I use them on welsh x lleyn ewes the get 34kg-36k fast the get overfat as , I just fear there is a bit to much British texel in them to put over the ewes lambs, the 2 dutch texel I bought originally were lazy, If I could find a non pushed beltex I might consider
Shameless plug …….Will have a dozen or so grass fed Beltex ram lambs this time. Here’s selection from previous year . Won’t melt and bred to be mobile and functional. If they can’t run over a mile back to sheds with the rest of lambs without needing to go in trailer then they go to market .

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Have lambed thousands of ewes to a Cham tup, and thousands of ewe lambs amongst them. Once described them to someone as tup and forget. Very very rarely pull one, they hound their mam and don’t take no for an answer at the milk bar. Massive will to live. Kill out very very well with a great meat to bone ratio. Never had an issue with hardiness at birth, and that’s included lambing outside in the beast from the east and lambing outside this year on roots in December and jan. Have lambed pedigree Cham ewes in the snow outside plenty, with once a day checks. Lambs grow steadily, maintain condition, fit at any weight, can go over fat but never really had an issue here. Kill everything at a 18-20kg carcass on the hook that grade well. Store buyers love them. Also good on feet, good worm resistance and off an easy care ewe will be clean bellied and necked and make a good maternal ewe if you want to keep any back. I personally can’t fault them.

Downsides

- wild as sin

- on neilos list of breeds he doesn’t like 😂

If you’re in Wales I’d be very tempted to go and see @MRT i bought my foundation stock off him and buy my stock tups got the pedigree flock off him and I would say he has by far the best Charmoise in the country. He takes it far more seriously than me 😂 but I would expect if the apocalypse came, afterwards we would be left with cockroaches, Lemmy from motor head and Charmoise sheep. 😂
 

TexelBen

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Livestock Farmer
Location
North Yorkshire
Have lambed thousands of ewes to a Cham tup, and thousands of ewe lambs amongst them. Once described them to someone as tup and forget. Very very rarely pull one, they hound their mam and don’t take no for an answer at the milk bar. Massive will to live. Kill out very very well with a great meat to bone ratio. Never had an issue with hardiness at birth, and that’s included lambing outside in the beast from the east and lambing outside this year on roots in December and jan. Have lambed pedigree Cham ewes in the snow outside plenty, with once a day checks. Lambs grow steadily, maintain condition, fit at any weight, can go over fat but never really had an issue here. Kill everything at a 18-20kg carcass on the hook that grade well. Store buyers love them. Also good on feet, good worm resistance and off an easy care ewe will be clean bellied and necked and make a good maternal ewe if you want to keep any back. I personally can’t fault them.

Downsides

- wild as sin

- on neilos list of breeds he doesn’t like 😂

If you’re in Wales I’d be very tempted to go and see @MRT i bought my foundation stock off him and buy my stock tups got the pedigree flock off him and I would say he has by far the best Charmoise in the country. He takes it far more seriously than me 😂 but I would expect if the apocalypse came, afterwards we would be left with cockroaches, Lemmy from motor head and Charmoise sheep. 😂
He's got very good sheep, been back a good few times for more!


Also makes delicious sandwiches 🥰
 
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MRT

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Have lambed thousands of ewes to a Cham tup, and thousands of ewe lambs amongst them. Once described them to someone as tup and forget. Very very rarely pull one, they hound their mam and don’t take no for an answer at the milk bar. Massive will to live. Kill out very very well with a great meat to bone ratio. Never had an issue with hardiness at birth, and that’s included lambing outside in the beast from the east and lambing outside this year on roots in December and jan. Have lambed pedigree Cham ewes in the snow outside plenty, with once a day checks. Lambs grow steadily, maintain condition, fit at any weight, can go over fat but never really had an issue here. Kill everything at a 18-20kg carcass on the hook that grade well. Store buyers love them. Also good on feet, good worm resistance and off an easy care ewe will be clean bellied and necked and make a good maternal ewe if you want to keep any back. I personally can’t fault them.

Downsides

- wild as sin

- on neilos list of breeds he doesn’t like 😂

If you’re in Wales I’d be very tempted to go and see @MRT i bought my foundation stock off him and buy my stock tups got the pedigree flock off him and I would say he has by far the best Charmoise in the country. He takes it far more seriously than me 😂 but I would expect if the apocalypse came, afterwards we would be left with cockroaches, Lemmy from motor head and Charmoise sheep. 😂

He's got very good sheep, been back a good few times for more!
Cheers lads, appreciated. I am very proud to have sold to you and to others on here and that they are doing the business. Now, don't cash the cheques I sent you until after a week next Wednesday...
 

Al R

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Livestock Farmer
Location
West Wales
Cheers lads, appreciated. I am very proud to have sold to you and to others on here and that they are doing the business. Now, don't cash the cheques I sent you until after a week next Wednesday...
Bl00dy cheques 🤦🏻‍♂️
I can echo the Charmoise are cracking but wild, and by wild I mean psycho, if they were bigger they’d be dangerous. Up quick and sucking, this year’s lambing we got to 60 ewe lambs in a row a few times without needing any assistance, exlana and charmoise tups on ExlanaX and Mule ewe lambs
 

TexelBen

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Livestock Farmer
Location
North Yorkshire
Bl00dy cheques 🤦🏻‍♂️
I can echo the Charmoise are cracking but wild, and by wild I mean psycho, if they were bigger they’d be dangerous. Up quick and sucking, this year’s lambing we got to 60 ewe lambs in a row a few times without needing any assistance, exlana and charmoise tups on ExlanaX and Mule ewe lambs
They're good at keeping a race moving tho 💪🏾💪🏾
Head down and drive
 

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