Cheap Winter Bean Establishment

Flat 10

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Arable Farmer
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Fen Edge
Did think about that but surely any pre em spray would be rendered useless by an uneven seed bed ?
More like rendered useless BG the organic soil….
I don’t think I would bother on black land but they will do well on the clay. Personally I would grow beet on the black…..
 
More like rendered useless BG the organic soil….
I don’t think I would bother on black land but they will do well on the clay. Personally I would grow beet on the black…..
Wheat pre em did fantastic job on black this year , you can see a strip which I missed with he sprayer ( no gps) full of black grass, the rest is clean .
Land was beet last year, pcn too high for potatoes , white rot present so rules out onions and leeks.... Not keen on rape but open to other break crop ideas ....peas possibly though combining clashes with wheat which puts me off
 

Flat 10

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Arable Farmer
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Fen Edge
Wheat pre em did fantastic job on black this year , you can see a strip which I missed with he sprayer ( no gps) full of black grass, the rest is clean .
Land was beet last year, pcn too high for potatoes , white rot present so rules out onions and leeks.... Not keen on rape but open to other break crop ideas ....peas possibly though combining clashes with wheat which puts me off
Yeah but I bet you needed spring BLW herbicide after the pre-em though? Peas are classically more of a black land crop in my mind but I think now that MCPB is gone(maybe going) it’s a lot harder. Grow the beans and if you keep them clean let me know how. 👍 My blacky land is full of bindweed and volunteer osr. In osr favour there are more blw control options nowadays. I’ve had disastrous linseed on black (part me part the year) and I put up a post questioning what to grow on it as a break and without irrigation on here a few months ago.
 

willy

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Mixed Farmer
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Rutland
My neighbour always ploughs then spins the beans on with a fert spinner and then power harrows them in, leaving a flat seed bed, always has a good crop.
 

Flat 10

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Arable Farmer
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Fen Edge
My neighbour always ploughs then spins the beans on with a fert spinner and then power harrows them in, leaving a flat seed bed, always has a good crop.
I would have thought they wouldn’t be in deep enough for the pre em done like that unless the ploughing was very open
 

Flat 10

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Arable Farmer
Location
Fen Edge
Which pre em needs beans deep?
I can’t remember the labels but surprised a PH would bury beans evenly 40mm or so which is standard pre-em depth. I’ve often ploughed beans in and on the headlands where not buried fully I have had significant bleaching probably from the clomazone?
 
Location
N Yorks
I have never gone straight into stubble with it alway into low disturbance sumo’ed stubble. I cannot run the risk of not running a leg through most of my land.
I used to say that.
Autumn cover crop, put a deep leg through if it makes you feel better.
Direct drill spring beans
Then you can direct drill the 1st wheat and you won't look back
 

benny6910

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Arable Farmer
I used to say that.
Autumn cover crop, put a deep leg through if it makes you feel better.
Direct drill spring beans
Then you can direct drill the 1st wheat and you won't look back
I’ll not grow spring beans, limited grass weed control and if it’s a wet spring the sowing date will be to later for me. At least there is a chance of cutting winter beans in September and get a decent yield.
 

Munkul

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Is it too risky to grow spring beans in the winter? I have one field where this may suit but I don't want to buy in seed. We don't get lots of frost typically
We got an accidental crop last year - we wholecropped spring beans late when they really should have been combined, and the losses through the header were quite substantial. Ploughed meaning to go back into grass but got unlucky with the weather and had to wait til spring for drilling... at which point there was a perfectly viable crop of "winter" beans... not bad yield either considering that it was lighter a crop than if it had been sown.
 

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