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But feel free to assert that if you must
Chemical Price Tracker
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I buy some products from Farm Marketplace and others from elsewhere, I like and value the ability to shop around and get the best price on each product I need
I've looked at buying groups many times in the past and never found one that offered me a better price but usually, hey demanded I bought exclusively from them BEFORE telling the prices ................ call me old fashioned but I don't like the idea of that much!
Why do you think buying groups insist upon secrecy? surely they would want to promote their better prices and therefore gain more members? ................... maybe best to not think about why that is too much
Question.
would you shop at a supermarket that ?
Only thing I think they do well / offer is simplified admin and credit, at a cost of course
would you shop at a supermarket that ?
- Charged you an entrance fee at the door
- Had no prices on the items on the shelf ............... but just told you they would be well priced, you will only find out the actual price long after you use the product
- Charged you an admin fee at the checkout
- Threatened to never let you in again if you dared share what price you paid for anything ............ why is that ?? sounds somewhat dodgy to me personally!
- Insisted you bought exclusively from them on at least a couple of your main product groups
- couldn't actually GUARANTEE they would always be cheapest
Only thing I think they do well / offer is simplified admin and credit, at a cost of course
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I didn't ask for the name of your buying group. Just who supplied the products your bought or were quoted on. As I said, Farm Compare is 100% anonymous so feel free to submit there if you want to know how good your buying is.
Not sure why you think secrecy is good for farmers. It isn’t.
Dynamic pricing - that is what this is - has one aim. To maximize revenue. Ie farmers lose.
So why take part in the secrecy when it isn’t good for you? Because you have been convinced it is, by the exact companies who use it to maximise revenue.
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why oh why so many farmers can not see this is utterly beyond me - we are compliant in our own demise! such a sad state for this industry to have got itself into
wake up people and stop letting others (who make a LOT more money than you) play games with your livelihood
We are investing significant money and time into the development of TFF Farm compare which will hopefully end this craziness forever ........................... I suspect there will still be farmers out there who find fault with it / refuse to use it, however!
essex man
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I have replied to that question
essex man
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I have never said anything other than I pay a sub for access to prices, my attitude to secrecy is something you are inferring.
When I buy a chemical I look at spreadsheet with a list of prices offered...
E.g. as I posted the other day, liberator offered in a range from £198 to £250
I posted the price to enable others to see that these prices are out there.
There is no secrecy from me about how to do this.
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Sorry - I missed who the supplier was. I will read back up.
I'll have a bite at this!
- Admin staff are professionals who require remuneration in return for their services to the group. Are you running Farm Marketplace with volunteers?
- I usually know the price at the time of ordering but not always. I've never been ripped off in 6 years of membership (but see above about Belkar!)
- If the price is dearer at the time of billing a few weeks or months later, but the market falls we get rebates sometimes but not readily allocatable to one particular product. Last year's rebates paid the entire levy and membership fee structure of my group. I'd sooner have a better price first time but the end result is the same on my bottom line.
- Farm Marketplace isn't always cheapest either. See the Liberator discussion above.
- You wouldn't ever have a financially vested interest in running buying groups down, would you?
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i am under no obligation to buy from my buying group.I buy some products from Farm Marketplace and others from elsewhere, I like and value the ability to shop around and get the best price on each product I need
I've looked at buying groups many times in the past and never found one that offered me a better price but usually, hey demanded I bought exclusively from them BEFORE telling the prices ................ call me old fashioned but I don't like the idea of that much!
Why do you think buying groups insist upon secrecy? surely they would want to promote their better prices and therefore gain more members? ................... maybe best to not think about why that is too much
they certainly do not insist on secrecy.
essex man
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i have already described my purchasing experience and it is nothing like the above.
i see a range of prices offered by well known distributers, before buying and then pick the cheapest.
it generally arrives within 24 hours.
have never been threatened.
I'll have a bite at this!
- Admin staff are professionals who require remuneration in return for their services to the group. Are you running Farm Marketplace with volunteers?
- I usually know the price at the time of ordering but not always. I've never been ripped off in 6 years of membership (but see above about Belkar!)
- If the price is dearer at the time of billing a few weeks or months later, but the market falls we get rebates sometimes but not readily allocatable to one particular product. Last year's rebates paid the entire levy and membership fee structure of my group. I'd sooner have a better price first time but the end result is the same on my bottom line.
- Farm Marketplace isn't always cheapest either. See the Liberator discussion above.
- You wouldn't ever have a financially vested interest in running buying groups down, would you?
If I hadn't posted my price from an independent supplier would you have known if your group was doing a good job? We all need a range of options to prevent to much control in the marketplace . That price was delivered from Suffolk right down to Cornwall, something Chris and tff cannot seem to manage!I'll have a bite at this!
- Admin staff are professionals who require remuneration in return for their services to the group. Are you running Farm Marketplace with volunteers?
- I usually know the price at the time of ordering but not always. I've never been ripped off in 6 years of membership (but see above about Belkar!)
- If the price is dearer at the time of billing a few weeks or months later, but the market falls we get rebates sometimes but not readily allocatable to one particular product. Last year's rebates paid the entire levy and membership fee structure of my group. I'd sooner have a better price first time but the end result is the same on my bottom line.
- Farm Marketplace isn't always cheapest either. See the Liberator discussion above.
- You wouldn't ever have a financially vested interest in running buying groups down, would you?
I'll have a bite at this!
- Admin staff are professionals who require remuneration in return for their services to the group. Are you running Farm Marketplace with volunteers?
- I usually know the price at the time of ordering but not always. I've never been ripped off in 6 years of membership (but see above about Belkar!)
- If the price is dearer at the time of billing a few weeks or months later, but the market falls we get rebates sometimes but not readily allocatable to one particular product. Last year's rebates paid the entire levy and membership fee structure of my group. I'd sooner have a better price first time but the end result is the same on my bottom line.
- Farm Marketplace isn't always cheapest either. See the Liberator discussion above.
- You wouldn't ever have a financially vested interest in running buying groups down, would you?
- Farm marketplace has a paid and professional admin team
- How do you know your price is the best they are offering? they insist on price secrecy why? maybe because others in your grup are paying a different price? "Divide and conquer" is the term I believe!
- see above!
- I don't claim FMP is always cheaper - I don't buy all my ag chems from there, just some of them. The more traction ist gets the better the range and prices are, FMP makes no money on ag chems. If farmers actually got their act together here there is a massive oppertunity to change the balance of power in farmers favour, prices would very quickly be much better than any distributor or buying group if it had enough support
- I have no internet in running buying groups down, I simply don't see what they offer beyond east admin and credit these days, its a rather old fashioned way do stuff these days now we have the internet! Several buying groups actually offered me good money to partner with TFF and expand, I could see no benefit to TFF members so declined on each occasion
It's the secrecy I object to that buying groups insist upon ! Why do you think they do this? surely if they can achieve the best price they would want everyone to know so they get more members and increase their buying power ........................
great - share your prices and where they came from with us all then?
what's stopping you if there is no threat? surely doing so will help your well-priced supplier get more sales - they might buy you a bottle of scotch at Christmas to say thanks even!
In the past I was told I must buy at least 2 product groups (chem and fert) exclusively fom the groups I was looking at joining and under no circumstance could I share the prices paid or suppliers with anyone
I look forward to you posting your prices on this thread to help others achieve the same if you have no obligation of secrecy
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I have already answered this, I am paying my sub for access to these prices.
I will post my prices, they will be from a range of the usual well known distributers.
If upsets you I am sorry.
Thought we were trying to help each not attack each other.
Thought it was helpful to have a many prices as possible on here
doesn't upset me
I just don't see any point in posting price and not saying where they are from
to help each other we need to share where we can also get these prices and use our buying power to force more competition and openness in the market
essex man
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So you would rather I didn't post my prices if not going to say where they are from?
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There are loads of examples of prices quoted without supplier name on here.