Cheviot mule tup lambs back onto Cheviot mule ewes

[Shepherd12]

Anyone tried crossing Cheviot mule ewes with Cheviot mule tup lambs? I know it doesn’t work with the other mules but I wondered if it might with Cheviot mules as there’s less colours in the mix and it’s generally more consistent cross ime. Worth a try to boost replacements or not? Thanks

 

[neilo]

Anyone tried crossing Cheviot mule ewes with Cheviot mule tup lambs? I know it doesn’t work with the other mules but I wondered if it might with Cheviot mules as there’s less colours in the mix and it’s generally more consistent cross ime. Worth a try to boost replacements or not? Thanks

Is a Cheviot Mule not a BFL on a Cheviot ewe? They are two very different types of sheep.

If you put that cross back on itself then I’d guess you’ll likely get some progeny that look like the dams, but also a significant proportion that came more like Cheviots and a group that come like BFLs .

It’s a crossbred on a crossbred, and certainly not a stabilised breed.

 

[Agrivator]

Anyone tried crossing Cheviot mule ewes with Cheviot mule tup lambs? I know it doesn’t work with the other mules but I wondered if it might with Cheviot mules as there’s less colours in the mix and it’s generally more consistent cross ime. Worth a try to boost replacements or not? Thanks

It was often tried with Scotch Halfbreds, but it didn't work because there was too much segregation. You will end up with a quarter looking like Cheviots and a quarter looking like Leicesters.

It would be better to cross them with a Texel or Suffolk, either of which will produce good replacements.

neilo beat me to it.

 

[Anymulewilldo]

Anyone tried crossing Cheviot mule ewes with Cheviot mule tup lambs? I know it doesn’t work with the other mules but I wondered if it might with Cheviot mules as there’s less colours in the mix and it’s generally more consistent cross ime. Worth a try to boost replacements or not? Thanks

I really can’t see any benefit too trying that… at all… put a Texel over them and keep the ewe lambs instead. You will end up with runty Cheviot type lambs and Gorky Leicester type lambs. Don’t do it too yourself.

 

[Global ovine]

Anyone tried crossing Cheviot mule ewes with Cheviot mule tup lambs? I know it doesn’t work with the other mules but I wondered if it might with Cheviot mules as there’s less colours in the mix and it’s generally more consistent cross ime. Worth a try to boost replacements or not? Thanks

Are you trying to just produce nicely coloured sheep, or a more productive at lower cost flock?

Mating the same first cross again only halves the hybrid vigour generated by crossing in the first instance. Why throw away much of the free lunch you have already gained.

 

[NZDan]

There are plenty of breeds based on interbreed the F1 x through the F2 and F3 and onward stage.
We produce Finn x Texel here both as Finn rams over Texel ewes, Texel rams over Finn ewes and FinnTexel rams over FinnTexel ewes, the various xs don't look any different and I have to consult pedigrees to know which cross a particular animal is. In breeds with strong traits controlled by a small number of genes, face color and horns being two good examples, you'll get some strong variation in them but most other traits will show a normal range. Work done at MARC with cattle showed no more variation in F2 crosses than there was in the parent breeds.

 

[Old Tup]

Anyone tried crossing Cheviot mule ewes with Cheviot mule tup lambs? I know it doesn’t work with the other mules but I wondered if it might with Cheviot mules as there’s less colours in the mix and it’s generally more consistent cross ime. Worth a try to boost replacements or not? Thanks

Why?
Akin to reinventing the Wheel….

 

[gatepost]

No No No, unless of course you want, in theory 25% chevs, 25% BFL and 50% something mongrel in the middle which may have traits from either or not.

 

[Old Tup]

Put a decent Texel across them….
Ready trade for them at Longtown….

 

[NZDan]

No No No, unless of course you want, in theory 25% chevs, 25% BFL and 50% something mongrel in the middle which may have traits from either or not.

That is absolute rubbish, it doesn't happen like that at all, even a high school level of genetics is enough to know that doesn't happen.

 

[Anymulewilldo]

That is absolute rubbish, it doesn't happen like that at all, even a high school level of genetics is enough to know that doesn't happen.

Quite right, you get 100% mongrel bred crap.

 

[NZDan]

Quite right, you get 100% mongrel bred crap.

A mongrel is an un planned and unknown breeding animal, there a plenty of examples around the world of F1 hybrids being used to create F2 and F3 crosses, its been done for a long time, the Suffolk is probably the oldest well known example. The NZ Coopworth and perendale are modern good example of what was a successful cross bred being developed into even more successful breeds. Logie Durno have been successful with both their Durno, Frontera and Logie composites.

 

[Nithsdale]

Just have a think about what you're aiming to do....

 

[Nithsdale]

That is absolute rubbish, it doesn't happen like that at all, even a high school level of genetics is enough to know that doesn't happen.

You'll need to educate us all then, because that is exactly how laws of averages work... and that is all breeding is!

 

[yellowbelly]

Just have a think about what you're aiming to do....View attachment 1042705

Wow, well done Niths - that's pure dedication to have the patience to do that (and all in the name of education of your fellow TFFers too)................



..................most of us would just have scoffed the lot

 

[Nithsdale]

Wow, well done Niths - that's pure dedication to have the patience to do that (and all in the name of education of your fellow TFFers too)................



..................most of us would just have scoffed the lot

I should confess I did not make it.

I mean, do you honestly think I'd take a photo of my table cloth with those creases in it and share it on the worldwideinterweb?!? I'd have ironed the life out of that first...

Like an ace up the sleeve, I keep that pic handy for just such conversations (My phone really is full of stupid pictures/memes like this )

 

[Anymulewilldo]

A mongrel is an un planned and unknown breeding animal, there a plenty of examples around the world of F1 hybrids being used to create F2 and F3 crosses, its been done for a long time, the Suffolk is probably the oldest well known example. The NZ Coopworth and perendale are modern good example of what was a successful cross bred being developed into even more successful breeds. Logie Durno have been successful with both their Durno, Frontera and Logie composites.

I agree there are commercial successes in that. BUT for every 1 success there will be 20 total cock ups that end up down the local halal slaughterhouse before the neighbours see it… I feel crossing any form of mule results in that. Having bought the results of a couple of experiments for peanuts and killed the lot before now.

 

[gatepost]

well now as the genome of most breeds overlap by some way, and ''breeds'' are only line bred phenotypes, there is of course some truth in the fact that it doesn't always pop out as per ''high school lesson'' but most would realize if you mix up extremes of phenotype back and forth, what you often don't get is consistency, but hey what would I know after 40 yrs.

 

[unlacedgecko]

I should confess I did not make it.

I mean, do you honestly think I'd take a photo of my table cloth with those creases in it and share it on the worldwideinterweb?!? I'd have ironed the life out of that first...

Like an ace up the sleeve, I keep that pic handy for just such conversations (My phone really is full of stupid pictures/memes like this )

Christ I don't own an iron. You need a woman. Or more sheep.

 

[Anymulewilldo]

Christ I don't own an iron. You need a woman. Or more sheep.

Last time I suggested my woman ironed something she threatened too hit me with it!!!